[tlhIngan Hol] ngIq (WAS: vengDaq, vengmeyDaq je)

[mayqel qunenoS]

Some time, a long time ago, in another thread I had asked more or less
exactly the same questions.

Many replied, many things were said, no useful results were made, no light
was shed on this matter, and finally, after we got even more confused than
we were at the beginning of that thread, we agreed that since a lot of
information with regards to the grammar of {ngIq} is still unknown, it is
essentially useless.

qunnoq

On Sep 6, 2017 18:21, "Brent Kesler" <brent.of.all.people at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Some examples of {ngIq} for comparison:
>>
>> ngIq nuv luHoH
>> they killed the warriors one by one. ('u'-OPERA)
>>
>> yerchajvo' Haw' qamchIynganpu' ngIq nuv luHoH
>> The people of Qam-Chee, they fled their territory, and were killed one by
>> one (PB)
>>
>> nIteb chegh molor ngIq ghoqwI'
>> One by one Molor's scouts return (PB)
>>
>> ngIq raQvaD cha'maH vagh QaS yInob
>> For each outpost pay 25 forces. (MKE)
>>
>> ngIq gholvaD vaghmaH QaS yInob
>> Pay each player 50 forces. (MKE)
>>
>> ngIq gholvo' wa'maH QaS yItlhap
>> Collect 10 forces from every player. (MKE)
>>
>> BTW notice the absence of {-taH} or {-qa'} on the verbs.
>>
>
>
> In these examples, "each" would make a good gloss for {ngIq}. But there
> are other examples that don't fit that idea, also from paq'batlh.
>
>      ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel
>      ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej quvqa'
>      ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej rIn may'
>
>      In one single move, he removed the hearts
>      In one single move, he restored his honor
>      In one single move, the battle was won
>
> That makes the meaning of {ngIq} almost always ambiguous.
>
> Why does {ngIq nuv luHoH} mean "They kill each person" instead of "They
> kill a single person"?
>
> Why does {nIteb chegh molor ngIq ghoqwI'} mean "one by one Molor's scouts
> return" instead of "Molor's single scout returned alone"?
>
> Why does {ngIq tonSaw' lo'} mean "In a single move" instead of "With each
> move"?
>
> I don't like that ambiguity, so I avoid {ngIq}.
>
> bI'reng
>
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