[tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: puqloD

[André Müller]

I tried reading it without looking at the translation and I get: "For my
son to act like a warrior, I taught him wrong; I realize that now." which
is what I think the sentence indicated.

The missunderstanding arises from the ambiguity of scope of modifying
suffixes like -Ha', -be', -vIp, etc. Is it the "teaching him to become a
warrior" that failed (-Ha'), or is it the "miss-teaching" that was done in
order for his son to become a warrior? Context is king.

Another example:
{qanuQmeH jIjatlhbe'.}

This is ambiguous, in my opinion, because the scope of the negation is not
clear. There are two readings:
a) I didn't say anything. I did that, because I want to annoy you. (i.e.
you would have prefered I say something)
b) I didn't say anything that could annoy you. (i.e. I didn't insult or
bother you)

The English "I didn't say anything to annoy you." is similarly ambiguous.

- André

2017-10-24 11:05 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>:

> *> SuvwI' DameH puqloDwI' vIghojHa'moH DaH 'e' vItlhoj*
>
> > I see now, I have failed to raise my son a man  (PB)
>
>
> If I read that sentence without knowing the translation beforehand, I
> would understand that "purposefully I misraised my son, in order to behave
> as a warrior".
>
>
> ~ nIghma'
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2017 18:21, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>> Klingon word: puqloD
>>
>> Part of speech: noun
>>
>> Definition: son
>>
>> Source: TKD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> *wa' jaj 'etlh 'uchchoHlaH tlhIngan puqloD*;* jajvetlh loD nen moj*
>>
>> The son of a Klingon is a man the day he can first hold a blade. TKW
>>
>> *qaStaHvIS wej puq poHmey vav puqloDpu' puqloDpu'chaj je quvHa'moH vav
>> quvHa'ghach*
>>
>> The dishonor of the father dishonors his sons and their sons for three
>> generations. TKW
>>
>> *puqloDwI' le'qu', Hoch jaj choquvmoH *
>>
>> My dearest son, each day you redeem me. (Frasier)
>>
>> *Qoy qeylIS puqloD*.* Qoy puqbe'pu'*
>>
>> Hear! Sons of Kahless. Hear! Daughters too. (Anthem)
>>
>> *Qo'noS tlhInganpu': qeylIS puqloDpu' puqbe'pu' je. *
>>
>> Klingons of Kronos: sons and daughters of Kahless. ('u'-MTK)
>>
>> *yatlh luqara' puqloD wa'DIch qenglI'*
>>
>> Lukara, pregnant of their first-born son  (PB)
>>
>>
>> *SuvwI' DameH puqloDwI' vIghojHa'moH DaH 'e' vItlhoj*
>>
>> I see now, I have failed to raise my son a man  (PB)
>>
>> LANGUAGE NOTES:
>>
>> (KGT 198f.)  ... a parent may address a son as *puqloDoy* and a daughter
>> as *puqbe'oy*. As with the terms for parents, the -*oy* form is seldom
>> used past the child's Age of Ascension.
>>
>> (KGT 197):  It is always proper to call somebody by his or her name
>> alone... During formal occasions, it is also not uncommon to refer to
>> someone by his or her father's name, such as *mogh puqloD* (*son of Mogh*)
>> or a combination of given name plus father's name, such as *HuS 'atrom
>> puqbe'* (*Huss*, *daughter of A'trom*).
>>
>>
>> (st.k 9/1997):  If you want to be even more formal, the name of the
>> father may be used as well... "Kahlor, son of Kahlin, of the House of
>> Molor" is "Kahlor, son of Kahlin, House of Molor" *qeylor qeylIn puqloD
>> molor tuq*."
>>
>>  (KGT 182):  For example, in the ceremony to induct new members into the
>> Order of the *Bat'leth* (*betleH 'obe'*), the highest honor that the
>> government bestows on a Klingon, the presiding official, usually the leader
>> of the Klingon High Council, first reads a name from the *naD tetlh* (*Commendation
>> List*), always calling out the inductee's name in the most formal way
>> (given name plus father's name, such as *tI'vIS barot puqloD* [T'vis,
>> son of Barot]).
>>
>> CULTURAL NOTES:
>>
>> The Klingon law of heredity (**g'now** juk Hol pajhard** “*A son shall
>> share in the honors or crimes of his father”*) would have required the
>> execution of Worf and his brother Kurn for the treachery of their father,
>> Mogh, had not those charges proven false. (*cf. *TNG "Redemption I")
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Voragh
>> *Ca'Non Master of the Klingons*
>>
>>
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