[tlhIngan Hol] {net Sov} vs {'e' Sovlu'}

Steven Boozer sboozer at uchicago.edu
Thu Nov 30 12:00:13 PST 2017

From: mayqel qunenoS
>> {'e' -lu'} is not a permissible construction, unless the {-lu'} is on the verb {'aq}.

  SIS 'e' 'aqlu', javmaH vatlhvI' DIch
  It is predicted it will rain, 60% certainty. (qep'a' 2017)

However, the {'e' -lu'} pattern can indeed be used with verbs other than {‘aq}.  E.g.

  Qang QanmeH yan 'ISletlh Damuv 'e' wIvlu'.
  You are chosen to serve on the Yan-Isleth and protect the chancellor. MKE

We’ve also seen the pattern {-lu' 'e' -lu'} used:

  yay chavlu' 'e' bajnISlu'
  Victory must be earned. TKW
  yInlu'taH 'e' bajnISlu'
  Survival must be earned. TKW
  DIvI' rojmab qep ghanglu' 'e' nIDlu', 'ach taH qep.
  Despite efforts to halt them, peace talks with Federation continue. MKE
And we’ve even seen the pattern {-lu' net}:

  vImuHlu' net wuqHa'!
  My death sentence was commuted! (ENT "Affliction")

From: mayqel qunenoS
{'e' -lu'} is not a permissible construction, unless the {-lu'} is on the verb {'aq}.

Always, as soon as you find yourself wanting to say {yadda yadda 'e' *whatever*lu'} you should instead write {yadda yadda net whatever}

~ nI'ghma

On Nov 30, 2017 9:12 PM, "Aurélie Demonchaux" <demonchaux.aurelie at gmail.com<mailto:demonchaux.aurelie at gmail.com>> wrote:
Today I am trying to grasp the difference between {net + verb} and {'e' + verb-lu'}

The way I understand it is, for example with "Sov"

net Sov = it is common knowledge that
'e' Sovlu' = someone (indefinite) knows that

qama'pu' DIHoHbe' net Sov = It is common knowledge that we don't kill prisoners
qama'pu' DIHoHbe' 'e' Sovlu' = It is known / someone knows that we don't kill prisoners

Similarly with chaw' :
qama'pu' DIHoH net chaw'be' = we are not allowed to kill prisoners
qama'pu' DIHoH 'e' chaw'lu'be' = someone does not allow us to kill prisoners

Am I getting it right ?

Thanks in advance!
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