[tlhIngan Hol] What is a sentence?

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Sat Jun 10 17:02:49 PDT 2017

On 6/10/2017 4:47 PM, Lieven wrote:
> Am 10.06.2017 um 18:08 schrieb DloraH:
>> On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 21:58 +0200, Lieven wrote:
>>> Am 09.06.2017 um 21:03 schrieb SuStel:
>>>> Oh sure. I'm not saying that an SAO isn't two sentences. It clearly 
>>>> is.
>>>> I'm saying that it's a sentence composed of sentences. It's both one
>>>> sentence and two.
>>> Since a verb using a sentence as object creates a new sentence, I think
>>> it's very clear that such a SAO-sentence can be the SAO in another 
>>> sentence.
>>> {targh HoH vav DaneH 'e' vIyaj net Sov.}
>>> One knows that I understand you want your father to kill the targ.
>>> [[[[targh HoH vav] DaneH] 'e' vIyaj] net Sov.]
>>> [[[[the father kills the targ] you want that] I understand that] one
>>> knows it]
>> But now add an adverbial to each sentence.
> That sounds like a true challenge. Theoretically, it should be nested 
> like macros do in software, but that would look very strange:
> {reH targh HoH vav}
> "father always kills targ"
> DaH {reH targh HoH vav} 'e' vISov
> Now I know that "father always kills targ"
> I'm not sure that is based on anything canon.

Your sentence would properly be *reH targh HoH vav DaH 'e' vISov.*

One issue you'll often run into is that you have to be able to tell that 
the adverbial/syntactic noun/time expression at the front applies to the 
entire construction, rather than just the first sub-sentence. We have an 
example of this in /paq'batlh:/*ghIq pum 'e' mev*//which only makes 
sense as /then, he stops falling./ The *ghIq* applies to *pum 'e' mev,* 
not just the *pum.* The sentence could have been written *pum ghIq 'e' 
mev,* but for some reason it wasn't. My guess is that *pum 'e' mev* was 
so small and tightly integrated it was thought of as a single unit.


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