[tlhIngan Hol] Imperatives and {-be'}

[mayqel qunenoS]

lieven:
> Anyway, to avoid this, use -Ha' instead. It can be use in imperatives.

You mean something like {HIvoqHa'Qo'} for "don't mistrust me" ?

qunnoq

On 6 Jul 2017 9:54 pm, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:

> On 7/6/2017 11:14 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
>> "Even though tkd says that {-be'} cannot be used with imperatives, it
>>> seems that this means only that it cannot be used to form negative
>>> imperatives. For example, a sentence such as {HIleghbe'moH} seems to be
>>> possible"
>>>
>>> I can't understand this. Isn't the {HIleghbe'moH} a negative imperative
>>> ? Doesn't it mean "make me not see !" ?
>>>
>>
> Am 06.07.2017 um 17:28 schrieb SuStel:
>
>> boQwI' is wrong.
>>
>
> Don't be so strict; just because boQwI' mentions something we have no rue
> for, it does not mean that it's wrong. As you said, there is no example for
> or against this, so you cannot be sure at all.
>
> I don't know how the creator came to that conclusion. It would be
>> convenient if we could, but TKD prohibits it and I don't think we've ever
>> seen a counterexample.
>>
>
> TKD does not explicitely prohibit THIS example, it prohibits using -be' in
> the puporse of a negative imperative. Opposed to other suffixes, -be' is a
> Rover and changes its meaning depending on where it stands.
>
> (besides, always keep in mind that TKD was never intented to be 100%
> complete, so thhe author may just have skipped this specific situation.)
>
> What we can be sure of is that {HIleghmoHbe'} is forbidden, because the
> -be' negates the command {HIleghmoH}, so we need -Qo' here.
>
> If I'd stick to the rules, I should just replace the be' with the -Qo' and
> get {HIleghQo'moH}... but wait: "Unlike {-be',} the position of {-Qo'} does
> not change" (TKD) so it comes to the end: {HIleghmoHQo'} - but that is
> something else, right?
>
> Just like the note in boQwI', I am also convinced that the following
> phrases should be grammatical:
>
> {HIleghmoH} "make me see"
> {HIleghbe'moH} "make me not see"
> It's different from "Don't make me see", which is different in English as
> well.
> {HIleghbe'moHQo'} "Don't make me not see"
>
> Anyway, to avoid this, use -Ha' instead. It can be use in imperatives.
>
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