[tlhIngan Hol] wa'DIch

[mayqel qunenoS]

qurgh:
> As long as it's listing steps, it works for all the numbers, as
> that's what ordinal numbers are for:

This is very interesting indeed, and I hadn't thought of this application
of ordinals in conjunction with {ghIq}.

Thanks for sharing !

qunnoq

On Aug 25, 2017 6:28 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:

> As long as it's listing steps, it works for all the numbers, as that's
> what ordinal numbers are for:
>
> wa'DIch Soj vISop
> cha'DIch HIq vItlhutlh
> wejDIch jagh vIHIv
> ghIq jIQong
>
> First I eat the food
> Second I drink the wine
> Third I attack the enemy
> Then I sleep
>
> qurgh
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> lieven:
>> > Yes, indeed. Few lines later it says {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}. (PB p
>> > 149.
>>
>> For the noble reason of helping someone who may be reading this thread,
>> and for the selfish reason of helping myself whenever I may read this again
>> in the future, here is the relevant text:
>>
>> wa'DIch Hegh moratlh
>> wej SuvwI' SuvtaHvIS
>> mongDaj DuQlu' 'ej Hegh
>>
>> ghIq Hegh qanjIt
>> qeylIS retlhDaq Suv
>> wa' jagh HoHta' HeghtaHvIS
>>
>> The interesting thing here, is that we have {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}, and not
>> {cha'DIch Hegh qanjIt}.
>>
>> "First/at first/initially" {wa'DIch} happens whatever, and
>> "then/subsequently" {ghIq} something also happens.
>>
>> So, from this, it is clear that {wa'DIch} can be used in the sense of "first/at
>> first/initially etc".
>>
>> qunnoq
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2017 2:40 PM, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 23.08.2017 um 17:02 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>>>
>>>>  > 2) may' bI'reS bejtaHvIS mon.
>>>>  > «First, he watches the battle smiling.»
>>>>
>>>> This is even more confusing. If the {bI'reS} here was meant to be a
>>>> timestamp, then the klingon sentence should be {bI'reS may' bejtaHvIS mon}.
>>>> Let alone the fact, that even in this case, without the punctuation we
>>>> would have the ambiguities discussed at the "First, Molor taunts Kahless"
>>>> sentence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, not neccessary. You can see {may' bI'reS} as the time stamp: "At the
>>> beginning of the battle, he watches smiling". WHat I think was that it says
>>> "He smiles while watching the bgining of the battle" - and it's the english
>>> which does not fit perfectly.
>>>
>>> I can't understand this sentence at all. All I get is "First, part of
>>>> the head.."
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's literally "the head part". It's not a sentence, but a listing,
>>> talking about connecting body parts in some ritual. You understand when you
>>> see the following lines:
>>> wa'DIch nach 'ay'
>>> cha'DIch ghIv 'ay'
>>> wejDIch burgh 'ay'
>>> loSDIch bIng 'ay'
>>> vaghDIch Dung 'ay'
>>> [...] PB, / p. 102
>>>
>>>
>>>  > 5) wa'DIch Hegh moratlh.
>>>>  > «First, Morath fell.»
>>>>
>>>> I could understand this being the use of {wa'DIch} as a timestamp, as
>>>> long as this sentence isn't the first of a group of sentences where
>>>> numbering takes place (is it ?).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, indeed. Few lines later it says {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}. (PB p 149.)
>>>
>>> --
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