[tlhIngan Hol] [English] Using "pong" as a verb to say "my name is..." ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

Also keep in mind, that the exact translation of {Quvar vIponglu'}, isn't
"I'm called Quvar". It is rather "someone calls me Quvar". Klingon doesn't
have a passive voice..

qunnoq
ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta'

On 1 Oct 2016 7:31 p.m., "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't take me seriously, but if I read the {Quvar vIponglu'}, I would
> understand that "someone calls me Quvar"; this would raise the ambiguity
> that only "that someone" calls me Quvar, while others may call me
> differently.
>
> As far as the {Quvar jIpong'egh}, then again there is the matter that
> perhaps "only I" call myself Quvar, while others may call me differently,
> and there is this additional problem as well:
>
> You have the {jIpong'egh}, and before that you have the {Quvar}; I'm not
> sure if you can have a noun sitting around in front of a verb, without that
> noun having a definite and clear relation to that verb. I mean, is {Quvar}
> an object to the {jIpong'egh} ? Since we have a no object prefix, then
> obviously it isn't. So, I don't think we can put it there.
>
> Anyway, as I already wrote, when I talk about grammar don't take me
> seriously..
>
> qunnoq
> ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 1 Oct 2016 3:47 p.m., "Aurélie Demonchaux" <
> demonchaux.aurelie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoch Savan ! :)
>>
>> It’s been bugging me for a few days now that the most common way in
>> Klingon to introduce one’s name is to use « pong » as a noun and not a
>> verb, when most languages (that I know of) offer the possibility to
>> introduce one’s name directly with a specific verb (« I am called + name »)
>>
>>
>> So I’ve checked the page on this topic on Klingonwiki.net, and now have 2
>> questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1/ On Klingonwiki, one solution for using « pong » as a verb is to do it
>> in the passive voice, as below:
>>
>>> jIHvaD Quvar ponglu'
>>> I am being called Quvar.
>>
>>
>> Literally, this is “For me(/to talk to me), call Quvar”.
>>
>>
>> But since in this example the person being called is “me”, and "Quvar" is
>> only what I'm called, then instead of using < jIHvaD Quvar ponglu’ > can
>> we also say:
>>
>>
>> < Quvar vIponglu’ > - “I am called Quvar”?
>>
>>
>> Kind of like the “prefix trick” I read about elsewhere on the Klingonwiki?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2/ Can we use a pronominal / reflexive verb?
>>
>> In French, we have lots of pronominal verbs (verbs that are accompanied
>> by a reflexive pronoun, for example “s’asseoir” (=to sit) literally means
>> “to sit oneself”, or “se lever” (to get up/stand up) is literally “to get
>> oneself up”)
>>
>>
>> So if someone says “je m’appelle Quvar” for “I am called Quvar”, what it
>> literally means is “I call myself Quvar”.
>>
>>
>> Thus, in Klingon, can we use a similar structure?
>>
>> < Quvar jIpong’egh > -- I call myself Quvar
>>
>>
>> Please let me know what you think :)
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>> ~mughwI'
>>
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