[tlhIngan Hol] the {nargh} the other {nargh} and the {-vo'}

[mayqel qunenoS]

SuStel:
> You can either say ghe''orvo' jInarghpu' I escaped
> from Grethor or ghe''or vInarghpu' I escaped Grethor.

hmm.. now I started to wonder.. walk with me..

bIQ'a' HeHDaq jIjaH
the "going" takes place at the shore

bIQ'a' HeH vIjaH
I am going to the shore

bIQ'a' HeHDaq vIjaH
I am going to the shore
(same as above, with the {-Daq} being unnecessary but not wrong)

if the above are correct, and the {nargh} "to escape" is to be treated
as a verb of movement, then why not: {ghe''orvo' vInarghpu'} ?

cpt qunnoq



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:23 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 11/21/2016 12:51 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
>> {mo'Dajvo' pa'wIjDaq je narghpu' He'So'bogh SajlIj}
>
> I knew of using {-vo'} and {-Daq} at the beginning of a sentence, in
> order to express the "from ---> to"; but somehow I had the idea that
> the two nouns can't be joined by the {je}. If this sentence is correct
> (is it ?) I will be happy to assimilate this knowledge.
>
>
> There's no rule against it. There's a theoretical reason not to do it, which
> is not demonstrated one way or another in canon so far as I know: it might
> make sense if you cannot stylistically join nouns of dissimilar syntactic
> roles.
>
> We have seen not conjoining nouns of dissimilar role:
>
> naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'
> Can we get to the Great Hall from here? (CK)
>
> (Notice that this sentence seems to violate the later revelations by Okrand
> of the workings of verbs of motion, like jaH.)
>
> jIH:
>
>> qatlho'qu' voragh ! choQaHta'mo' ghe''orvo' vInarghpu'}
>> thank you voragh ! because you helped me, from hell I escaped}
>
> lieven:
>
>> Well, then the place is not the object, so I'd use {jI-} on nargh.
>
> hmm.. I didn't know that. can't {nargh} "to escape" have an object ?
> as in "I escaped hell" ?
>
>
> You can either say ghe''orvo' jInarghpu' I escaped from Grethor or ghe''or
> vInarghpu' I escaped Grethor.
>
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