[tlhIngan-Hol] In the labyrinth of {-qu'} {-chu'} and {-Ha'}

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Sun Jun 5 01:32:46 PDT 2016

thank you 'arHa' !

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:05 AM, John R. Harness <cartweel at gmail.com> wrote:
> bIlughchu'qu'! Yes, the rule about -Ha' always coming immediately after the
> verb is tricky, since it is a rover that doesn't actually rove.
> There are definitely some theoretical shenanigans about suffixes that don't
> play well with each other, but I think that in 99% of cases there is no need
> to worry too much. What you say about -chu' and -qu' not being each other's
> opposites, but speaking to different things, is essential.
> --
> Socialist Alternative
> Klingon Language Institute
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:39 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 'op ret, De'wI'maj jIH 'aqroSvo' DaqHom wIlelpu'.
>> some time ago we wanted to remove a small area from the top of our
>> computer's screen.
>> wev rur DaqHomvetlh, 'ej De' Sar cha'.
>> this area was a line, which displayed various information.
>> Qu'vam wIchavmeH, De'wI' mIwvaD weQmoQnaQ wInuDta'.
>> in order to achieve this task, we searched the web for a program.
>> 'ej tagha' De'wI' mIwqoq wISamta'.
>> and eventually a so-called program eventually we found.
>> qatlh {De'wI' mIwqoq}
>> why so-called ?
>> la'laHbe'mo' !
>> because it was worthless !
>> De'wI'majvaD wIlo'ta'DI', QapHa'choH De'wI'maj..
>> as soon as we used it, our computer begun to malfunction..
>> De'wI'maj *library*Daq, ngIq ta - wa' ta neH - ghItlhHa'mo' De'wI'
>> mIwqoqvam.
>> because this pitiful excuse for a program, erased a single file - just
>> a single file - at our computers library.
>> tagha', QapHa'chu'pu' De'wI'maj..
>> finally, our computer crashed..
>> 'ej wItI'meH, wa'DIch qawHaqDaj wIghItlhHa'nIS
>> and in order to repair it, its memory we needed to erase
>> 'ej ghIq wIghunnISqa'
>> and then we needed to reprogram it.
>> why, am I writting these ?
>> there are times, when seemingly insiginificant details one forgets,
>> seriously mess him up.
>> some time ago, I needed to write "I like a lot" ; so I take the verb
>> {parHa'}, and think: "I will just add {-qu'}, and I'm good to go". But
>> instantly, I though "wait a minute ; {-qu'} or {-chu'} ?"
>> and to make things even worst, the even more dangerous question came
>> to mind : "where do I place the {-qu'} or {-chu'} ? before or after
>> the {-Ha'} ?"
>> and this question followed too : "{-qu'} is rover ; if I place it
>> after the {-Ha'}, won't I negate its effect ?"
>> For a few days, these questions plagued me, and I felt the more I
>> considered them, the deeper I was getting in a labyrinth, I could not
>> get out of.
>> Until -finally-, I was left with no choice, but to study again from
>> the beginning the rovers, and the {-chu'} as well.
>> And because I restudied them, I realized that most of these questions,
>> were dead wrong, from the start.
>> Since -Ha', according to tkd, always occurs after the verb, at the
>> word {parHa'}, both -qu' and -chu' (if they are to be placed), they
>> have to be placed after the -Ha'.
>> Now, there is a difference between -qu' and -chu'. the -qu' is
>> emphatic, whereas the -chu' means "clearly/perfectly". So, parHa'qu'
>> means "I like very much', while parHa'chu' means "I perfectly like".
>> If we wrote parHa'chu'qu', then the -qu' would emphasize the
>> "perfectly", and if we wrote parHa'qu'chu' then this would mean "I
>> very much like" with all the "I very much like" taking place to the
>> degree of "perfectly".
>> Also -Ha' isn't negated by the simultaneous presence of -qu' and/or
>> -chu', because they don't have "the-same-yet-opposite-meanings". -Ha'
>> expresses the "undo, do wrongly", while -qu' is an emphatic. And -chu'
>> expresses the "to the perfect degree"
>> So, finally I feel I managed to escape this labyrinth of confusion. At
>> least I hope I did (and if I am wrong somewhere, then please do tell
>> me) ; however it is impressive, how forgetting just a single fact, can
>> throw off balance your entire understanding of things.
>> cpt qunnoq
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