[tlhIngan Hol] When we return from the battlefield, who will we be then ?

[André Müller]

Oh, it just means that it's a way of speaking *about* something said. You
make an utterance, and then you say something about it (in Klingon), e.g.
where you got the information from, how sure you are, etc.

Also, by the way, since {'e'} is essentially an (anaphoric) pronoun
("that"), you sort of *have* two different sentences, they're just linked
together more closely, without a real break. It could theoretically and
probably was, etymologically: {ngeD yIn. 'e' vIHar.}
Just like English "I hope that life will be easy." comes from a structure
with two seperate sentences: "I hope that: Life will be easy." Same in
German, where "das" was then changed to "daß/dass" if it introduces a
sentence.

2016-06-29 10:20 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>:

> > it's a sort of metalinguistic device putting your proposition into
> context
>
> you lost me here completely ! this sounds pretty cool, but I have no
> idea what it means..
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:53 AM, André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2016-06-29 9:22 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> ghunchu'wI':
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >>
> >> I was trying to avoid using the SAO, because I feel it is the only
> >> thing in klingon which is not direct.
> >>
> >> Unlike in english, where we say : "we believe that..", in klingon one
> >> must first make a statement, then take a coffee break, then say the
> >> {'e'} - without the reader/listener - knowing that it will actually
> >> come, and only then continue with the rest of the SAO.
> >>
> >
> > On the contrary. I believe that this way of phrasing it is especially
> > direct. Saying that you "believe" (or think, hope etc.) something first
> > isn't direct either, it's a sort of metalinguistic device putting your
> > proposition into context. I think it's very direct to first say the
> > statement and then add how sure you are about it. And it goes well
> together
> > with the general OVS word order.
> > Also, a lot of natural languages do it just like that: saying the
> > statement/quotation and then adding "I say/think/hope" etc.
> > I think making 2 sentences out of 1 very short one might strike Klingons
> as
> > wasting time or something...
> >
> > But I usually don't think of Klingon philosophy when writing or saying
> > something in the language. I don't believe that a language's structure
> > reflects the philosophy of its speakers (like the old myths about German
> > being very precise, Chinese being very philosophical, French being full
> of
> > emotions, Russian or Arabic being harsh, etc.).
> >
> > - André
> >
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