[tlhIngan Hol] Disturbing irregularities

[mayqel qunenoS]

> There's no problem in saying {mayqel jIH}  "I am Michael"
> Next, {SoH 'Iv} equals to {'Iv SoH}, both words can act as the verb.

ok, I came back..

if I write {'elaDya'ngan jIH}, this can only mean "I am (a) greek",
right ? So, how come if I write {mayqel jIH}, this can mean "I am
michael' ? even if we take into account, that klingon does not have
"a/the", then again the meaning can only mean "I am a michael".

as I understand , the subject is defined as "one who is, or one who
does" ; and since we use OVS, then how can we place the "one who is,
or one who does", before the verb ?



On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:22 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> jIHvaD Sujangta'mo', Satlho'.
> thank you all for replying.
>
> qawHaqwIjDaq, 'oqranD mu'tlhegh ghom vIghItlhqa'.
> I re-wrote 'oqranD message at my data banks.
>
> mIv Hurgh
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> Other examples of "action” – which as SuStel pointed out is not the same as
>> movement --  “in a direction away from the noun suffixed with {-vo’}":
>>
>>
>>
>>  naDevvo' jIleghlaHchu'be'
>>
>>   I can't see well from here. CK
>>
>>
>>
>>  chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH
>>
>>   [Maybe I'd like to buy something from you.] PK
>>
>>  betleHvo' qotar mInDu' mIghDaq boch 'otlh
>>
>>   Light reflects off the bat'leth into Fek'lhr's
>>
>>    evil eyes. PB [sic! for {veqlargh mInDu'}]
>>
>> Another having to do with transmitting messages:
>>
>>
>>
>>  HoD, yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH
>>
>>   [Captain, we are receiving a priority message from
>>
>>    (Fleet) Operations Command.] (ST5 notes)
>>
>> … and yet another from the very same “Message to Kronos”:
>>
>>  ghe'naQ Daqvo' QInvam wIlab.
>>
>>   We will place a homing device transmitting this
>>
>>    message at the site of the opera. ('U'-MTK)
>>
>> {lab} “transmit data (away from a place)” already has an element of
>> direction, but away from which place?  {ghe’naQ Daqvo’} “from the site of
>> the opera”.  (Okrand chose to ignore the bit about placing a homing device;
>> interested Klingons are perfectly capable of homing in on the signal without
>> being prompted.  Consider it translator’s license.)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Voragh
>>
>> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
>>
>> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of
>> SuStel
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 8:06 AM
>>
>> On 6/21/2016 3:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>>
>> 1.  {tera'vo' SarI'} "I hail you from Earth".
>>
>>
>>
>> The way I understand {-vo'}, it is used to denote "movement taking
>>
>> place away from somewhere". However, in this sentence, the meaning is
>>
>> rather "I'm at earth, and from here I'm communicating". Perhaps, one
>>
>> could say that "the thing moving away from earth is the message". But
>>
>> in that case, I would be expecting to see "from earth I'm sending this
>>
>> message". Not "from earth I hail you".
>>
>> "This suffix [-vo'] is similar to -Daq but is used only when action is in a
>> direction away from the noun suffixed with -vo'."
>>
>> It doesn't say there has to be literal movement, and it doesn't say the
>> subject or object have to be moving away from something, just that the
>> "action" is "in a direction away from." In Okrand's sentence, the action of
>> hailing is being directed away from Earth.
>>
>> There is a similar sentence in Conversational Klingon: pa'vo' pagh leghlu'
>> the room has no view (literally, from the room, one sees nothing). The
>> action of seeing is being directed away from the room.
>>
>> Because irregularities like the aforementioned ones confuse me, I
>>
>> chose to delete the "message from kronos", from my data banks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep it. Aside from the rest of the good grammar, it's useful to keep
>> examples of Okrand's mistakes, if only to convince Worshipers at the
>> Almighty Knees of Okrand that his every utterance is not holy writ.
>>
>> --
>>
>> SuStel
>>
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