[tlhIngan Hol] Ambiguity with regards to the beneficiary

[DloraH]

This reminds me of "For Want of a Nail".
One warrior's bravery /could/ benefit the Empire.


- DloraH



On Mon, 2016-07-04 at 04:37 -0500, John R. Harness wrote:
> This ambiguity is real with -vaD but I think that common sense generally
> sorts out any seemingly strange phrases. If not, perhaps an author is
> trying to make a point, or emphasize something surreal, or be poetic. You
> will have to interpret the sentence in its context. For what it's worth,
> sometimes I've found a useful translation of -vaD to be "for the sake of."
> 
> wo'vaD yISub'eghmoH
> For the sake of the empire, make yourself brave!
> 
> 
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> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:12 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > We know that the {-vaD}, is to be used only for the purpose of marking
> > the beneficiary/indirect object.
> >
> > When we had discussed the definition of the beneficiary/indirect
> > object, we said :
> >
> > "the beneficiary/indirect object, is the one affected in a different
> > way than the direct object".
> >
> > So, now I will ask : What if there is an ambiguity, as far as the
> > "whether the wanna-be indirect object is actually affected ?".
> >
> > Take this example for instance :
> >
> > ghawran says to a soldier : "for the klingon empire be brave !"
> >
> > Someone could argue that the klingon empire, isn't the beneficiary.
> > Why ? Because it is not affected by the "being brave" of the
> > individual warrior. If he's a coward, then that's his problem, qar'a'
> > ?
> >
> > Someone else though could say that the klingon empire is honored when
> > a warrion is brave, therefore it is to be considered the beneficiary.
> >
> > So, what's the case here ?
> >
> > If anyone knows the answer, then please endarken me..
> >
> > mop Hurgh qunnoq
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