[tlhIngan Hol] Ambiguity with regards to the beneficiary

[mayqel qunenoS]

HIvqa' veqlargh !

muj mu'tlheghvam : {beneficiary 'oH mu''e' ; chaq 'e' jIHar}

'oH mu'tlhegh lugh'e' : {{beneficiary 'oH mu''e' ; chaq 'e' vIHar}

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:20 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> jIQochbe' 'arHa'.
>
> HechtaHghach qay'wI' 'oH beneficiary qay'wI''e'. beneficiary 'oH
> mu''e' ; chaq 'e' jIHar.
>
> 'ach beneficiary 'oHbe' mu' rap 'e' luHarlaH latlhpu'. qay'wI'vamvaD,
> ngaQHa'moHwI' 'oHlaw' HechtaHghach neH..
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:37 PM, John R. Harness <cartweel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This ambiguity is real with -vaD but I think that common sense generally
>> sorts out any seemingly strange phrases. If not, perhaps an author is trying
>> to make a point, or emphasize something surreal, or be poetic. You will have
>> to interpret the sentence in its context. For what it's worth, sometimes
>> I've found a useful translation of -vaD to be "for the sake of."
>>
>> wo'vaD yISub'eghmoH
>> For the sake of the empire, make yourself brave!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Socialist Alternative
>> Klingon Language Institute
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:12 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We know that the {-vaD}, is to be used only for the purpose of marking
>>> the beneficiary/indirect object.
>>>
>>> When we had discussed the definition of the beneficiary/indirect
>>> object, we said :
>>>
>>> "the beneficiary/indirect object, is the one affected in a different
>>> way than the direct object".
>>>
>>> So, now I will ask : What if there is an ambiguity, as far as the
>>> "whether the wanna-be indirect object is actually affected ?".
>>>
>>> Take this example for instance :
>>>
>>> ghawran says to a soldier : "for the klingon empire be brave !"
>>>
>>> Someone could argue that the klingon empire, isn't the beneficiary.
>>> Why ? Because it is not affected by the "being brave" of the
>>> individual warrior. If he's a coward, then that's his problem, qar'a'
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Someone else though could say that the klingon empire is honored when
>>> a warrion is brave, therefore it is to be considered the beneficiary.
>>>
>>> So, what's the case here ?
>>>
>>> If anyone knows the answer, then please endarken me..
>>>
>>> mop Hurgh qunnoq
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