[tlhIngan Hol] Cleaning outdoor dogs ? Seriously ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

On the other hand..

Perhaps, I'm approaching this wrong way ; I'm paying attention to the
english translation of the words {Dab} and {'el}, without actually
*feeling* their meaning.

As SuStel pointed out {Dab} means "inhabit" ; the "in/at", at its
english translation, were put in an effort to provide for the reader a
better understanding of its meaning.

Similarly the {'el} means "enter" and that's it. The "go in" was added
in an effort to further explain its meaning.

In dark of the above, then we could indeed understand the {Hatlh
luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey} and the {pa' vI'el}.

Now, as far as the {quSDaq jIba'} is concerned, we can understand why
we don't use {quSDaq vIba'}, for the simple reason that "I sit on the
chair" ; I don't "sit the chair".

mop Hurgh qunnoq

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:17 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> SuStel:
>> The second sentence is correct. Think of
>> {Dab} as meaning “inhabit” and it’ll make more sense.
>
> maj.
>
> So, since the {Hatlh luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey} is the correct choice,
> then if I want to say "I enter the room", I will say {pa' vI'el} right
> ?
>
> But I still can't understand.. If the {Hatlh luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}
> and the {pa' vI'el} are correct, then why don't we say too {quSDaq
> vIba'}, for "I sit on the chair" ? If the answer is "because we have
> the {-Daq} on the {qus}", then I will say that both the {Dab} and
> {'el} have within them an integrated "in".
>
> Unless of course both the "dwell/reside in/at and go in" have the
> concepts of "in/at" working in an optional way.
>
> In that case, if we disregarded the "in/at", then I understand we
> could say "I dwell the house / I enter the room", thus justifying the
> {vIDab} / {vI'el}.
>
> Perhaps the answer lies on the meaning which the english sentence
> tries to convey ; if it is "I inhabit the house" then {juH vIDab}, if
> it is "I dwell in the house" then {juH jIDab}. Similarly, if the
> meaning is "I enter the room" then perhaps the way to go is {pa'
> vI'el}. But if it is "I go in the room" then {pa' jI'el}. On the other
> hand, if the {'el} is to be considered a verb of movement then we
> always need to say {pa' vI'el} and the plot thickens..
>
> Anyway this is rather confusing, so if someone could shine some
> darkness on the matter, I would surely appreciate it.
>
> mIv Hurgh
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 9:49 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>> The second sentence is correct. Think of {Dab} as meaning “inhabit” and
>> it’ll make more sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> SuStel
>> http://trimboli.name
>>
>>
>>
>> From: mayqel qunenoS
>> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:52 AM
>> To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Cleaning outdoor dogs ? Seriously ?
>>
>>
>>
>> {Hatlh Dabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}
>>
>> animals which dwell in the countryside
>>
>>
>>
>> or
>>
>>
>>
>> {Hatlh luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}
>>
>> animals which dwell in the countryside
>>
>>
>>
>> since the {Dab} includes the "in/at" meaning, I think the correct must
>>
>> be {Hatlh Dabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}. I think the {Hatlh luDabbogh
>>
>> Ha'DIbaHmey} would be used if the {Dab} didn't include the "in/at",
>>
>> case in which the meaning would be "animals who dwell the
>>
>> countryside".
>>
>>
>>
>> after all we say {quSDaq jIba'} and not {quSDaq vIba'}, qar'a' ?
>>
>>
>>
>> but I just want to make certain..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:42 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> tera'Daq wa' Ha'DIbaH Samlu' ; loS 'uS ghaj 'ej motlh veD ghaj je.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> tlhIngan targh rur Ha'DIbaHvam 'ej Ha'DIbaHvamvaD dog lupong tera'ngan.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> tlhaQmo' 'ej matlhmo', luvuv HochHom tera'nganpu' 'ej luparHa' je ;
>>
>>> pIj juHmeychajDaq lulan je..
>>
>>>
>>
>>> DaH, pIj mIlloghvam lu'cha' ngevmeH much : puchpa'Daq dog Say'moHlu'.
>>
>>> 'ach jISIv : luSay'moHlu' 'e' lupoQ'a' dogmey ?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> ben law', yotlhDaq HatlhDaq, dogmey law' ghajpu' vavwI'. yotlhvamDaq
>>
>>> reH tlhab dogmey. 'ej reH yavDaq Qot bIH.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> meqvammo', not DISay'moHta'. qatlh DISay'nISmoH ? DaH DISay'moHchugh
>>
>>> vaj qaSDI' vagh tup lamqa' !
>>
>>>
>>
>>> 'ej maHvaD not jatlh Ha'DIbaH Qel, dogvam yISaymoH !
>>
>>>
>>
>>> toH, ngoDvam vIHar : lam Hatlh Dabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey'e' net pIH.
>>
>>> ngoDvammo' pe'vIl puchpa' dog 'elnISmoH pagh !
>>
>>>
>>
>>> mop Hurgh
>>
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