[tlhIngan Hol] Cleaning outdoor dogs ? Seriously ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

SuStel:
> The second sentence is correct. Think of
> {Dab} as meaning “inhabit” and it’ll make more sense.

maj.

So, since the {Hatlh luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey} is the correct choice,
then if I want to say "I enter the room", I will say {pa' vI'el} right
?

But I still can't understand.. If the {Hatlh luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}
and the {pa' vI'el} are correct, then why don't we say too {quSDaq
vIba'}, for "I sit on the chair" ? If the answer is "because we have
the {-Daq} on the {qus}", then I will say that both the {Dab} and
{'el} have within them an integrated "in".

Unless of course both the "dwell/reside in/at and go in" have the
concepts of "in/at" working in an optional way.

In that case, if we disregarded the "in/at", then I understand we
could say "I dwell the house / I enter the room", thus justifying the
{vIDab} / {vI'el}.

Perhaps the answer lies on the meaning which the english sentence
tries to convey ; if it is "I inhabit the house" then {juH vIDab}, if
it is "I dwell in the house" then {juH jIDab}. Similarly, if the
meaning is "I enter the room" then perhaps the way to go is {pa'
vI'el}. But if it is "I go in the room" then {pa' jI'el}. On the other
hand, if the {'el} is to be considered a verb of movement then we
always need to say {pa' vI'el} and the plot thickens..

Anyway this is rather confusing, so if someone could shine some
darkness on the matter, I would surely appreciate it.

mIv Hurgh

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 9:49 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> The second sentence is correct. Think of {Dab} as meaning “inhabit” and
> it’ll make more sense.
>
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> SuStel
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> From: mayqel qunenoS
> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:52 AM
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> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Cleaning outdoor dogs ? Seriously ?
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> {Hatlh Dabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}
>
> animals which dwell in the countryside
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> {Hatlh luDabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}
>
> animals which dwell in the countryside
>
>
>
> since the {Dab} includes the "in/at" meaning, I think the correct must
>
> be {Hatlh Dabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey}. I think the {Hatlh luDabbogh
>
> Ha'DIbaHmey} would be used if the {Dab} didn't include the "in/at",
>
> case in which the meaning would be "animals who dwell the
>
> countryside".
>
>
>
> after all we say {quSDaq jIba'} and not {quSDaq vIba'}, qar'a' ?
>
>
>
> but I just want to make certain..
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:42 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> tera'Daq wa' Ha'DIbaH Samlu' ; loS 'uS ghaj 'ej motlh veD ghaj je.
>
>>
>
>> tlhIngan targh rur Ha'DIbaHvam 'ej Ha'DIbaHvamvaD dog lupong tera'ngan.
>
>>
>
>> tlhaQmo' 'ej matlhmo', luvuv HochHom tera'nganpu' 'ej luparHa' je ;
>
>> pIj juHmeychajDaq lulan je..
>
>>
>
>> DaH, pIj mIlloghvam lu'cha' ngevmeH much : puchpa'Daq dog Say'moHlu'.
>
>> 'ach jISIv : luSay'moHlu' 'e' lupoQ'a' dogmey ?
>
>>
>
>> ben law', yotlhDaq HatlhDaq, dogmey law' ghajpu' vavwI'. yotlhvamDaq
>
>> reH tlhab dogmey. 'ej reH yavDaq Qot bIH.
>
>>
>
>> meqvammo', not DISay'moHta'. qatlh DISay'nISmoH ? DaH DISay'moHchugh
>
>> vaj qaSDI' vagh tup lamqa' !
>
>>
>
>> 'ej maHvaD not jatlh Ha'DIbaH Qel, dogvam yISaymoH !
>
>>
>
>> toH, ngoDvam vIHar : lam Hatlh Dabbogh Ha'DIbaHmey'e' net pIH.
>
>> ngoDvammo' pe'vIl puchpa' dog 'elnISmoH pagh !
>
>>
>
>> mop Hurgh
>
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