[tlhIngan Hol] Ambiguity with regards to the beneficiary

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Mon Jul 4 03:20:15 PDT 2016

jIQochbe' 'arHa'.

HechtaHghach qay'wI' 'oH beneficiary qay'wI''e'. beneficiary 'oH
mu''e' ; chaq 'e' jIHar.

'ach beneficiary 'oHbe' mu' rap 'e' luHarlaH latlhpu'. qay'wI'vamvaD,
ngaQHa'moHwI' 'oHlaw' HechtaHghach neH..

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:37 PM, John R. Harness <cartweel at gmail.com> wrote:
> This ambiguity is real with -vaD but I think that common sense generally
> sorts out any seemingly strange phrases. If not, perhaps an author is trying
> to make a point, or emphasize something surreal, or be poetic. You will have
> to interpret the sentence in its context. For what it's worth, sometimes
> I've found a useful translation of -vaD to be "for the sake of."
> wo'vaD yISub'eghmoH
> For the sake of the empire, make yourself brave!
> --
> Socialist Alternative
> Klingon Language Institute
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:12 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We know that the {-vaD}, is to be used only for the purpose of marking
>> the beneficiary/indirect object.
>> When we had discussed the definition of the beneficiary/indirect
>> object, we said :
>> "the beneficiary/indirect object, is the one affected in a different
>> way than the direct object".
>> So, now I will ask : What if there is an ambiguity, as far as the
>> "whether the wanna-be indirect object is actually affected ?".
>> Take this example for instance :
>> ghawran says to a soldier : "for the klingon empire be brave !"
>> Someone could argue that the klingon empire, isn't the beneficiary.
>> Why ? Because it is not affected by the "being brave" of the
>> individual warrior. If he's a coward, then that's his problem, qar'a'
>> ?
>> Someone else though could say that the klingon empire is honored when
>> a warrion is brave, therefore it is to be considered the beneficiary.
>> So, what's the case here ?
>> If anyone knows the answer, then please endarken me..
>> mop Hurgh qunnoq
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