[tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh

[mayqel qunenoS]

De'vID:
> {naDev ghaHtaHbogh} "here where he is"

I didn't know that the {-bogh} can express "where". if that is the case,
then I can understand the sentence from paq'batlh.

however I am curious..

in light of the {-bogh} being able to express the meaning of "where", how
would you explain the tkd p.172 sentence: {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'} ?

"here where I am being" ? but in the {naDev ghaHtaHbogh} "here where he is"
example that you wrote, the {naDev} precedes the {-bogh}..

qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 19 Dec 2016 2:30 pm, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Dec 19, 2016 10:36, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> De'vID:
> > {naDev ghaHtaH} means "he/she is here".
>
> Yes, I can understand this; but if at the above sentence we had the
> {-bogh} ({naDev ghaHtaHbogh}), then what would that mean ?
>
>
> "here where he/she is"
>
> What's difficult about this? {-bogh} turns a sentence into a relative
> clause.
>
> {SuvwI' HoHpu'} "he killed the warrior"
> {SuvwI' HoHpu'bogh} "the warrior whom he killed"
>
> {naDev ghaHtaH} "he is here"
> {naDev ghaHtaHbogh} "here where he is"
>
> What's the difficulty? Is it that you don't accept that the location is
> the object of the pronoun/verb?
>
> Consider {pa' 'oHtaH vaS'a''e'}. What role does {pa'} play relative to
> {'oHtaH}?
>
>
> My difficulty in understanding the original paq'batlh sentence,
> had/has to do with accepting the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun.
>
>
> {[noun] [verb][suffix]bogh} is a noun. What else could it be? This is
> just a standard relative clause.
>
>
> If that sentence went: {DaH naDev jIHtaH meq Saja'}, then I could read
> it as "now, the reason of my being here, I will tell you". But the
> addition of {-bogh} severely messes me up. It is its presence that I
> can't explain.
>
>
> What you wrote is ungrammatical as a single sentence. The sentence from
> the paq'batlh is perfectly formed according to known Klingon grammar and
> has a clear meaning.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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