[tlhIngan Hol] How do you explain {'InSong} ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

can I find somewhere the text of 'oqranD “Klingon 101” lecture ? I mean
only the text; not the video.

qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 10 Dec 2016 5:12 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> is there a difference between the klingon syllable, and the english
> syllable ? what is the definition of a klingon syllable ?
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 10 Dec 2016 3:48 pm, <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>
>> “It's worth stating that I don't believe the rules of Klingon syllable
>> structure have ever been directly stated, but rather this is based on
>> observation”
>>
>>
>>
>> In his recent “Klingon 101” lecture, Okrand explained the rules of a
>> Klingon syllable, though I think he forgot to include final *rgh.*
>>
>>
>>
>> “In the event where the forst syllable is simply CV (tera'ngan, lulIgh,
>> bIreQtagh, ...), there may be room for interpretation where one syllable
>> ends and the other ends. Normally, the CV syllable gets "swallowed", so
>> that the two syllables almost sound like one; tera' sounds like "vra" and
>> verengan sounds like "vrengan".
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t do this. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Okrand do this. Klingon
>> doesn't schwa vowels the way English does. Where does this idea come from?
>>
>>
>>
>> “This confusion might also arise when using the -oy suffix. Is this the
>> only syllable that can begin on a vowel? Or does it change the stress
>> pattern of the word it's appended to in such a way that the syllable
>> becomes -Coy? (for example, would jupoy be ju-poy, perhaps just ending up
>> sounding like "jpoy"?)”
>>
>>
>>
>> *-oy* is not a syllable; it’s a suffix. It’s usually added to a word
>> ending in a consonant, and TKD suggests that a *‘* is added first if the
>> word ends in a vowel. Adding the suffix completes the syllable. Though I
>> don’t give much weight to actors’ pronunciations, I will point out that
>> Azetbur pronounces *vavoy* as *va-VOY.*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> SuStel
>> http://trimboli.name
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se>
>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:30 AM
>> *To: *tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>> *Subject: *Re: [tlhIngan Hol] How do you explain {'InSong} ?
>>
>>
>>
>> It's worth stating that I don't believe the rules of Klingon syllable
>> structure have ever been directly stated, but rather this is based on
>> observation.
>>
>>
>>
>> The majority of all cases can be described as such:
>>
>>
>>
>> Every syllable begins with a consonant, followed by a vowel.
>>
>> This may be (and usually is) followed by a consonant, or one of the three
>> permissible terminal consonant clusters: -rgh, -w' or -y'.
>>
>> No syllable ends on -ow, -ow', -uw or -uw'.
>>
>>
>>
>> So single syllable options are:
>>
>>
>>
>> CV - tI Do ta ...
>>
>> CVC - batlh chuch por ...
>>
>> CVrgh - 'argh burgh qorgh ...
>>
>> CVw' - maw'  law' ghaw' ... (interestingly, there don't appear to be any
>> -ew' or -Iw' words)
>>
>> CVy' - lay' loy' bey' ... (no known -Iy' examples)
>>
>>
>>
>> After one of these, you are freee tonstart a new syllable, which may also
>> follow any of these forms.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example:
>>
>>
>>
>> CVC-CVC - 'InSong, bobcho', lalDan
>>
>> CV-CVC - lulIgh, qama'
>>
>> CVC-CV - HaSta, yergho
>>
>> CV-CV-CVC - verengan
>>
>> CVC-CV-CVC - Ha'DIbaH
>>
>>
>>
>> In the event where the forst syllable is simply CV (tera'ngan, lulIgh,
>> bIreQtagh, ...), there may be room for interpretation where one syllable
>> ends and the other ends. Normally, the CV syllable gets "swallowed", so
>> that the two syllables almost sound like one; tera' sounds like "vra" and
>> verengan sounds like "vrengan".
>>
>>
>>
>> This confusion might also arise when using the -oy suffix. Is this the
>> only syllable that can begin on a vowel? Or does it change the stress
>> pattern of the word it's appended to in such a way that the syllable
>> becomes -Coy? (for example, would jupoy be ju-poy, perhaps just ending up
>> sounding like "jpoy"?)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are still exceptions to these "rules", such as those seen in
>> non-Klinogn names (qIrq, pIqarD, 'oqranD) and in no' Hol (paq'batlh,
>> tog'det q'uti 'qoolit).
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> loghaD (CV-CVC)
>>
>> 10 dec. 2016 kl. 11:27 skrev mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>:
>>
>> lieven:
>> > '-I-n = C-V-C
>> > S-o-ng = C-V-C
>> > Why the confusion?
>>
>> according to the rule of cvc, how come that after the {n} the {S} follows
>> ? this produces (cvccvc).
>>
>> the rule refers to clusters of three (cvc-cvc-cvc), or does it go like
>> (cvcvcvcvc..) ? so far I thought that according to this rule, right after a
>> consonant always a vowel follows.
>>
>> qunnoH jan puqloD
>> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 Dec 2016 12:16 pm, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> Am 10.12.2016 um 11:01 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>>
>> we are always saying that klingon phonology utilizes cvc. so, how do you
>> explain {'InSong} ?
>>
>>
>> '-I-n = C-V-C
>> S-o-ng = C-V-C
>>
>> Why the confusion?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lieven L. Litaer
>> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
>> Grammarian of the KLI
>> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
>> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Phonology
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