[tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh

[Brian Cote]

Slightly beside mayqel's point, but in the phrase {naDev jIHtaH} /I am
here/ (see TKD 27-28pp), the {naDev} is implicitly locative, right? So it
can never mean /I am the here/(?) It should be considered {naDev[Daq]
jIHtaH} grammatically, although the {-Daq} is never written explicitly in
this case. That is correct, right?

QImSIr

On Sunday, December 18, 2016, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> > DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."
> > /Now I will tell you why I am here./
>
> if the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is indeed a noun, them I believe this resembles
> the "ship in which I fled" problem.
>
> if we accept the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun, then obviously by the same
> reasoning we need to accept {Duj jInarghbogh} as a noun too, unless the
> {naDev} is the object of {jIHtaHbogh}, thus producing "the here which I am
> being".
>
> of course in star trek everything is possible, so perhaps someone can
> change state of being thus from a humanoid becoming a place.. but then
> again the english translation doesn't say "now I will tell you why I became
> the here".
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 17 Dec 2016 10:31 pm, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sustel at trimboli.name');>> wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2016 1:40 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>>
>> ok, I read it; {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'}.
>>
>> however based on what I know, I can't analyze it. "here which I am being
>> I don't know it". shouldn't the {naDev} always come first ? and what is its
>> role in that sentence ? is it the subject of the {jIHtaHbogh}, the object
>> of {vISovbe'}, or both ?
>>
>> as I wrote earlier in this thread, I am obviously missing something here,
>> and by the looks of it, it must be something pretty important..
>>
>>
>> I've never heard a satisfactory analysis of the sentence either. But
>> Okrand obviously has one to use the *jIHtaHbogh* word more than once.
>>
>> --
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