[tlhIngan Hol] Is the {je} necessary ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

maj !

now, lets take this a little further..

I want to say: "this world, this life make me suffer".

the orthodox way of saying this, is of course through the use of {je}:
{mubechmoH qo'vam yInvam je}

but lets assume I don't want to use the {je}. In this case can I write:

{mubechmoH qo'vam'e' yInvam'e'} ?

In this sentence I have two nouns each carrying the {'e'}. So obviously
they cannot be forming a noun-noun construction.

as we said, when it comes to nouns with the {'e'}, we don't know if the
{je} is necessary in order to join them. so, assuming that indeed we could
leave it aside, the only remaining question is:

is the sentence {mubechmoH qo'vam'e' yInvam'e'} good as is, or do I need to
add a {bIH} thus writing:

{mubechmoH qo'vam'e' yInvam'e' bIH} ?

qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 3 Dec 2016 9:04 pm, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 03.12.2016 um 19:37 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>
> suppose I want to say: "this world, this life, I hate them".
>>
>
> In english this may work, because the proniun shows that you hat both. In
> Klingon, since the pronoun does not indicate the object (in this case) it
> would not work, so I would immedialtly understand this as a possessive
> noun-noun construction.
>
> And I would say that it's even the case when the prefix would clearly show
> the plural.
>
> {qo'vam yInvam je vImuS}
>> {qo'vam yInvam vImuS}
>>
>
> I understand that perhaps at the second sentence one could get the
>> meaning that "I hate this life", and being left to wonder what's the
>> story with the {qo'vam}.
>>
>
> I understand "I hate this life which happens on this world", so "this
> world-life"
>
> so, all I want to know is "is the {je} necessary" ? is there some
>> grammar reason because of which it is necessary ?
>>
>
> Yes: clearly spoken, if you want to say I hate "A+B" you have to say "A+B"
> and not just "A B".
>
> ....Now, going more peotic:
>
> I can imagine one can do this with some useful, dramatic pauses, but still
> add the right pronoun maybe:
> {qo'vam.... yInvam... bIH vImuS}
>
> Actually, that's exactly what you wrote in your initial question:
> "this world, this life, I hate them"
>
>
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