[tlhIngan Hol] [Tlhingan-hol] Liquid Nitrogen

MorphemeAddict lytlesw at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 00:13:10 PDT 2016

It may not be standard, but to call a widespread native usage incorrect is
arrogant indeed.
Usage is what determines whether something is correct or not; whether
people accept the usage without notice or question. Yesterday's incorrect
is today's standard.

lay'tel SIvten

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:31 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 11:08 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>> Outside of everyday usage, English uses *ice* to refer to any substance
>> that is normally thought of as non-solid when it has been made solid. We
>> use *ice* instead of some other word because water is the most common
>> substance that we regularly see become solid; we just apply that word to
>> other substances.
> English speakers use it, incorrectly, that way. It's a slang, albeit very
> common slang. You may use that slang, but some people try to avoid it.
> When you have watched someone pick up a chunk of "dry ice" and try to eat
> it,  thinking it's normal ice, you quickly learn not to use "ice" outside
> of the water kind.
> What do other languages do? I don't remember ice being used this way in
> Japanese.
>> On the other hand, we have no idea whether Klingon *chuch* has the same
>> usage or can only refer to solid H2O.
> The gloss is "ice", so I think it's very reasonable to assume that, while
> there is no conflicting evidence, it refers to the solid form of H2O.
> There's no precedent in Klingon to assume English slang meanings should be
> carried over. In fact, this has always been discouraged by the members of
> this list.
> qurgh
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