[tlhIngan Hol] Saruman and Lurtz

[mayqel qunenoS]

SuStel:
> That's your error. During the "once," they were still
> elves. When it was "once," being elves wasn't completed.

hmm.. Perhaps I'm beginning to understand. So you're saying that the
event, which is described by the aspect suffix {-pu'} must :

1. be completed
2. have stopped being in effect

right ?

qunnoq

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:50 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 8/23/2016 11:41 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>>
>> SuStel:
>>>
>>> wa'DIch elves chaH first they were elves. elves chaHpu' they had been
>>> elves
>>> You don't want both together; that means first they had been elves, which
>>> suggests that when you start ("first") they had already completed being
>>> elves
>>> or that first they are elves for a moment.
>>
>> I'm not sure I'm following here ; perhaps there is a misunderstanding
>> on my part with regards to what the aspect suffix {-pu'} actually
>> stands for.
>>
>> It stands for a completed event, right ? Does that event, need to have
>> stopped being in effect as well ? The "orcs were elves once". That's a
>> completed event. "Once they were elves". Perhaps later they stopped
>> being elves, but during the point of time which the "once" refers to,
>> there was a completed event, and that event was "they being elves".
>
>
> That's your error. During the "once," they were still elves. When it was
> "once," being elves wasn't completed.
>
>
>>   I can't understand why we can't have both the "once" and the {pu'}.
>
>
> Either it's "once" and the elves are still being elves, or it's no longer
> "once" and being elves is completed.
>
>
>> jIH:
>>>
>>> ('ej ngugh jang lurtz) : Saruman !!!
>>
>> Again, no aspect suffix here, due to the {ngugh}. "Then (at that time)
>> lurtz replies". Now that I'm thinking of it again, perhaps I could
>> place a {-taH}. "then (at that time) lurtz is replying"..
>
>
> Replying a single word doesn't sound "continuous" to me...
>
>
>
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