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Is the {pa'Daq dog lu'elmoH} correct for "they caused the dog to enter the room" ? voragh: Not if you mean *{pa’Daq ‘el} “enter the room” then {‘el} “enter” already implies {-Daq} voragh: If you’re asking about {DOG lu’elmoH}, I’ll let someone else comment.

Well, it's a little bit of both, which confuse me; both the need to place the {-Daq} on the {pa'}, as well as the {DOG lu’elmoH}. I remembered that the {-Daq} isn't required with the {'el}, and initially thought of writing just {pa' dog lu'elmoH}. However I was wondering.. Is the {-Daq} to be omitted before the {'el}, only on a noun which directly precedes it, or is it to be omitted too if the noun is at the beginning of the sentence ? And of course, it was the {DOG lu’elmoH} too, which I didn't know if it was actually correct. However, after reading the following: voragh:

pa'Daq mo’ DOG lu'elmoH in the room, they caused the dog to enter the cage

Then I guess that the {dog lu'elmoH} is indeed correct for "they caused the dog to enter", and that for the intended meaning ""they caused the dog to enter the room", I only needed to write {pa' dog lu'elmoH}. Are my conclusions correct ? qunnoq On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:

Qunnoq:

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Is the {pa'Daq dog lu'elmoH} correct for "they caused the dog to enter the room" ?

Not if you mean *{pa’Daq ‘el} “enter the room” then {‘el} “enter” already implies {-Daq}:

mIch 'elpu' jay' They've entered the @#$% sector! (TKD)

Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e' that course will take *us* into the [Great] Barrier as well! (ST5)

HIq DaSammeH tach yI'el

To find ale, go into a bar. (TKW)

tach vI'el, HItlhej

Let's go to the pub. (RT)

neHmaH Da'el net tu'

Caught breaching the Neutral Zone. (MKE)

ghe'tor 'el qeylIS

Kahless enters Gre'thor (PB)

ghe'tor vegh Duj / Suto'vo'qor lojmItmey 'el Duj

The barge went through Gre'thor into the gates of Sto-vo-kor (PB)

pa' 'elDI' Duj 'Iw HIq pIw qagh pIw je lularghlu'chu'

The smell of bloodwine and gagh filled the barge upon entering. (PB)

ghe'tor 'el nuv ghe'torvo' tlheD ghaH 'e' tu'be'chugh neH veqlargh ghe'torvo' cheghlaH nuvvam

One can only return from this Underworld, If Fek'lhr does not notice one Entering or leaving Gre'thor. (PB)

qa' qo' chu' 'el Duj The barge entered a new underworld (PB)

ghe'tor Da'elta' 'ej lojmItmeyvo' Damejta' 'ach bIrIQbe'mo' SoH neH

Since you are the only one Who ever entered Gre'thor, And left the gates unharmed, (PB)

vavlI' loDnI'lI' je DaSammeH ghe'tor Da'elmo' 'ej Damejmo' QeHchoH qa'pu' vaj lubIjlu'

They will pay for the anger You caused by entering and leaving, Gre'thor in search of your kin. (PB)

If you want to say something else happened there, use {-Daq} as a place stamp to set the scene:

pa'Daq mo’ DOG lu'elmoH

in the room, they caused the dog to enter the cage

i.e. everyone – both the people and the dog -- were already in the room when the action occurred.

If you’re asking about {DOG lu’elmoH}, I’ll let someone else comment.

-- Voragh

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