It is a good question - I am also wondering about this sentence, because somehow it feels wrong to include {naDev} at all. What about : jIHtaHbogh Daq vISovbe' (I don't know the place where I am) Or:Daqvam vIngu'laHbe' (I can't identify this place) Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy. -------- Message d'origine --------De : mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Date : 12/09/2017 18:42 (GMT+01:00) À : tlhingan-hol@kli.org Objet : [tlhIngan Hol] jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe' {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'} I'm lost.  (TKD Useful Expressions) I can't understand the grammar of this sentence; wouldn't it be more logical for it to be {naDev jIHtaHbogh vISovbe'} for "I don't know the here (i.e. my location) where I am" ? qunnoq