This message is addressing all those who enjoy keeping records and archives correctly arranged. I just noticed these three words {ghojmeH taj} {nuH bey'} {SoS taj} Which I have listed as source "HolQeD v10n1, p. 20" While checking for this, I noticed that there is no page 20 in that issue, and the words do not appear there at all. I know they came from the KCD, but were they published anywhere else officially, being HolQeD or newsgroup or anything? Thanks for any comments. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/Word/CategoryHolQeD
I only have KCD listed as the source for each of those. ~Melanie Roney Sent from my Palm Prē On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, 03:19 Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
This message is addressing all those who enjoy keeping records and archives correctly arranged.
I just noticed these three words {ghojmeH taj} {nuH bey'} {SoS taj}
Which I have listed as source "HolQeD v10n1, p. 20"
While checking for this, I noticed that there is no page 20 in that issue, and the words do not appear there at all.
I know they came from the KCD, but were they published anywhere else officially, being HolQeD or newsgroup or anything?
Thanks for any comments.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/Word/CategoryHolQeD _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
That's my cue. Here's what I have: ghojmeH taj boy's knife (n) KCD Lit. "knife for learning": A young Klingon has one of these before he earns his own d'k tahg in the Second Rite of Ascension, or {nentay}. (KCD) "But a Klingon is not born a warrior. Being a warrior is something that must be earned. Before I earned this knife, I owned a {ghojmeH taj}, a boy's knife... This story is about Pok, son of Torghn, my friend and ally. A mere boy with a {ghojmeH taj}." (Gowron, KCD novel p.12) nuH bey' Pride of Weapons (n) KCD I.e. a ceremonial display of weapons. In the House of SepIch Rite of Ascension chamber, the {quv bey'} looks like the {nuH bey'} except that it contains two bat'leths and two d'k tahgs, as opposed to the {nuH bey'} which has one bat'leth, one {naQjej}, and a {ghop 'etlh} ("One of three weapons traditionally displayed on the {nuH bey'}.") (KCD) A photo of what might be Worf's {nuH bey'} on the wall of his Enterprise-D quarters can be seen in TKW p.124 (cf. TNG "Genesis", et al.). "Where are all your weapons? Don't you display your weapons?" (Trelane to Kirk, TOS "The Squire of Gothos") Mirror Kirk certainly does: he had a display of exotic knives on the wall over his desk in his quarters on the ISS Enterprise. (TOS "Mirror, Mirror") SoS taj mother's knife (n) KCD 2 words, confirmed at qepHom 2019. "A wickedly shaped weapon, the wounds inflicted by the {SoS taj} are particularly painful and deadly." K'Tar used one. (KCD) No mention of HolQeD v10n1 anywhere in my notes. Some words from KCD were published in HolQeD v5n1, p. 20: i.e. nalqaD, no' Dir, Qa'Hom. Perhaps that's the source of the confusion. -- Voragh, Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ------------------------------Original Message------------------------------ From: Lieven L. Litaer This message is addressing all those who enjoy keeping records and archives correctly arranged. I just noticed these three words {ghojmeH taj} {nuH bey'} {SoS taj} Which I have listed as source "HolQeD v10n1, p. 20" While checking for this, I noticed that there is no page 20 in that issue, and the words do not appear there at all. I know they came from the KCD, but were they published anywhere else officially, being HolQeD or newsgroup or anything?
On 10/6/2021 10:08 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
No mention of HolQeD v10n1 anywhere in my notes. Some words from KCD were published in HolQeD v5n1, p. 20: i.e. nalqaD, no' Dir, Qa'Hom. Perhaps that's the source of the confusion.
That's surely it. *nuH bey'* appears on that list. *SoS taj *and*ghojmeH taj* do not. The list came out before KCD: "While you'll have to wait for the CD-ROM to actually hear Gowron speak, we are providing the vocabulary below for your advance education." I don't know if we were thinking of that page as a canonical source at the time. KCD was the source, as yet unseen; this was just a sneak preview. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 10/6/2021 3:18 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
This message is addressing all those who enjoy keeping records and archives correctly arranged.
I just noticed these three words {ghojmeH taj} {nuH bey'} {SoS taj}
Which I have listed as source "HolQeD v10n1, p. 20"
While checking for this, I noticed that there is no page 20 in that issue, and the words do not appear there at all.
I know they came from the KCD, but were they published anywhere else officially, being HolQeD or newsgroup or anything?
The correct source for these terms is KCD. To my knowledge, they were not published separately in /HolQeD,/ and Okrand never posted anything about them. The word *bey'* was included in KGT's word list. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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