qepHom 2018 - Technical terms
The words we received from Maltz for this year's qepHom were not sorted by any system. I tried to arrange them by topics, which I will use in the subject line, so the discussions about the words are also sorted. ---- chuq'a' leghwI' n. space telescope – This is like the Hubble, not a Hov tut. lay leng n. aeronautics Sach v. expand, can be used for: be amplified, fleshed out, elaborated, increased in scope, etc. [Okrand later explained on the example of a book: if you make an expanded version of it, then you {paq SachmoH}, "the book expands": {Sach paq} and you end up with a {paq Sach}, an "extended book".] tuj 'otlh n. infrared, infrared radiation SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature) [use it like 'uj etc.] -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepHom2018
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:47, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
tuj 'otlh n. infrared, infrared radiation
What does that make ultraviolet? Or X-Rays? I guess there must be a historical reason why {tuj 'otlh} is infrared, since all photons carry energy, and infrared radiation is actually lower energy (less "heat") than visible light. It would be nice to get labels for the other parts of the {'otlh yutlhegh}. SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature)
[use it like 'uj etc.]
Do {SImyonHom} and {SImyon'a'} exist? Also, does anyone know of any instances of Klingon references to degrees of temperature in Star Trek? -- De'vID
I guess there must be a historical reason why {tuj 'otlh} is infrared, since all photons carry energy, and infrared radiation is actually lower energy (less "heat") than visible light.
I suspect the word «tuj» - at least in everyday speech - doesn’t refer generally to radiative energy transfer, but rather to the sensation of high temperature. At room temperature, blackbody radiation is almost entirely in the infrared; a teensy portion is in the visible spectrum, and none of it is ultraviolet. You need to get up to thousands of kelvin before the peak of the blackbody spectrum slips into the visible range. Therefore, when people speak of thermal radiation, as well as things like thermal vision, they are primarily referring to infrared.
SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature)
Was there any mention of what temperature scale Klingons normally use, or how to specify which Terran scale we’re using? Could one say *SelSIyuS* SImyon, *ve’renHay’* SImyon, *qelvIn* SImyon, etc.? (I know the Kelvin scale doesn’t use ”degrees”, but I’m not sure that distinction would matter in translation.) //loghaD ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:16:28 AM To: tlhIngan-Hol Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qepHom 2018 - Technical terms On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:47, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>> wrote: tuj 'otlh n. infrared, infrared radiation What does that make ultraviolet? Or X-Rays? I guess there must be a historical reason why {tuj 'otlh} is infrared, since all photons carry energy, and infrared radiation is actually lower energy (less "heat") than visible light. It would be nice to get labels for the other parts of the {'otlh yutlhegh}. SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature) [use it like 'uj etc.] Do {SImyonHom} and {SImyon'a'} exist? Also, does anyone know of any instances of Klingon references to degrees of temperature in Star Trek? -- De'vID
Am 22.11.2018 um 08:52 schrieb Felix Malmenbeck:
SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature)
Was there any mention of what temperature scale Klingons normally use, or how to specify which Terran scale we’re using? Could one say *SelSIyuS* SImyon, *ve’renHay’* SImyon, *qelvIn* SImyon, etc.?
No, SImyon works just like 'uj, without any addition. Just like Kelvin: "50 Kelvin" and "50 SImyon". It's like one does not say "metric centimeter" and "imperial centimeter". -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepHom2018
On Thursday, 22 November 2018 08:02:12 GMT Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 22.11.2018 um 08:52 schrieb Felix Malmenbeck:
SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature)
Was there any mention of what temperature scale Klingons normally use, or how to specify which Terran scale we’re using? Could one say *SelSIyuS* SImyon, *ve’renHay’* SImyon, *qelvIn* SImyon, etc.?
No, SImyon works just like 'uj, without any addition. Just like Kelvin: "50 Kelvin" and "50 SImyon".
It's like one does not say "metric centimeter" and "imperial centimeter".
Our point is that we would need to know how hot one is if we ever want to use it.
Indeed; how hot is a SImyon ? Is 1 SImyon 1 degree Celsius ? (which I hope, since here we use Celsius..) Or is it 1 Fahreneit ? Or 1 Kelvin ? ~ mayqel qunen'oS On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:52 AM Jeremy Silver <jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On Thursday, 22 November 2018 08:02:12 GMT Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 22.11.2018 um 08:52 schrieb Felix Malmenbeck:
SImyon n. degree (unit of measure for temperature)
Was there any mention of what temperature scale Klingons normally use, or how to specify which Terran scale we’re using? Could one say *SelSIyuS* SImyon, *ve’renHay’* SImyon, *qelvIn* SImyon, etc.?
No, SImyon works just like 'uj, without any addition. Just like Kelvin: "50 Kelvin" and "50 SImyon".
It's like one does not say "metric centimeter" and "imperial centimeter".
Our point is that we would need to know how hot one is if we ever want to use it.
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Am 22.11.2018 um 10:49 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
Indeed; how hot is a SImyon ?
Is 1 SImyon 1 degree Celsius ? (which I hope, since here we use Celsius..) Or is it 1 Fahreneit ? Or 1 Kelvin ?
We really don't know at this point. Maybe we will one day. But I doubt it's the same as what we use on earth. It will probably be based on something within Klingon culture, such as 0 degrees based on frozen bloodwine and 100 degrees based on the surface of a batleth after a battle... we just don't know. ... yet. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On Nov 22, 2018, at 07:13, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 22.11.2018 um 10:49 schrieb mayqel qunenoS: Indeed; how hot is a SImyon ? Is 1 SImyon 1 degree Celsius ? (which I hope, since here we use Celsius..) Or is it 1 Fahreneit ? Or 1 Kelvin ?
We really don't know at this point. Maybe we will one day. But I doubt it's the same as what we use on earth. It will probably be based on something within Klingon culture, such as 0 degrees based on frozen bloodwine and 100 degrees based on the surface of a batleth after a battle... we just don't know. ... yet.
If bloodwine ever gets so cold as to freeze, something has gone very, very wrong. latlh HIvje'Daq 'Iw HIq taD yIqang.
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 04:11 Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net wrote:
On Nov 22, 2018, at 07:13, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 22.11.2018 um 10:49 schrieb mayqel qunenoS: Indeed; how hot is a SImyon ? Is 1 SImyon 1 degree Celsius ? (which I hope, since here we use Celsius..) Or is it 1 Fahreneit ? Or 1 Kelvin ?
We really don't know at this point. Maybe we will one day. But I doubt it's the same as what we use on earth. It will probably be based on something within Klingon culture, such as 0 degrees based on frozen bloodwine and 100 degrees based on the surface of a batleth after a battle... we just don't know. ... yet.
Why 100? Why not 81 or 243? If bloodwine ever gets so cold as to freeze, something has gone very, very
wrong. latlh HIvje'Daq 'Iw HIq taD yIqang.
The obvious reference points are the expected temperature of an average {qIvon} and the boiling point of Klingon blood. -- De'vID
ghItlhpu' De'vID, jatlh:
Also, does anyone know of any instances of Klingon references to degrees of temperature in Star Trek?
Not specifically culturally Klingon, but certainly there's at least one spoken by a Klingon. From Star Trek: First Contact, when the Borg are just beginning their assimilation of the Enterprise: Worf (on intercom): Yes sir. We are experiencing some environmental difficulties on deck sixteen but that is all. Picard: What kind of difficulties? Worf (on intercom): Humidity levels have risen seventy-three percent and the temperature has jumped ten degrees in the last hour. Which means it's time once more for me to refine the Klingon First Contact subtitles. QeS 'utlh
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