It occurred to me today as an echo to the discussion about Sentence As Object, and Krankor’s example that erred toward accepting a question as the first sentence, that there might actually be a case for this with certain second verbs: chay’ leSpal vIchenmoHlaH ‘e’ vISIv. Or, to rewrite Krankor’s example: chay’ Duj’a’ vIghajlaH DaH ‘e’ boSIvbe’choH. Other verbs that would naturally have a question as their Direct Object, like {ghel} might also serve, if this proved to be acceptable. There are no stated rules and no canon to support this. It just makes sense… … and it would give Okrand an answer to how to effectively use {SIv}, which he wondered about so much in his interview... pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On 4/13/2023 10:13 PM, Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
It occurred to me today as an echo to the discussion about Sentence As Object, and Krankor’s example that erred toward accepting a question as the first sentence, that there might actually be a case for this with certain second verbs:
chay’ leSpal vIchenmoHlaH ‘e’ vISIv.
Or, to rewrite Krankor’s example:
chay’ Duj’a’ vIghajlaH DaH ‘e’ boSIvbe’choH.
Other verbs that would naturally have a question as their Direct Object, like {ghel} might also serve, if this proved to be acceptable.
There are no stated rules and no canon to support this. It just makes sense…
It doesn't just make sense. In English /I wonder how I can make a guitar,/ the /why I can make a guitar/ part isn't a question. The /how/ is a subordinating conjunction, and the /I can make a guitar/ is a subordinate clause. There is no question. Klingon, of course, doesn't have subordinating conjunctions. None of its subordinate clauses tell you the manner in which something is done. There is no "just makes sense" about using the word *chay'* here, because the /only/ role that *chay'* plays is to ask the question /how?/ It is purely adverbial. The reason you think it just makes sense is that you're confusing the adverb /how/ (which asks a question about the manner in which something is done) with the subordinating conjunction /how/ (which makes a subordinate clause tell you the manner in which something is done). Because Klingon has no subordinate clause that tells you the manner in which something is done, you have to recast: *leSpal chenmoHmeH mIw vIqel*/I consider a process for making a guitar,/ or something like it. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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