How could I not remember the most obvious related words: qaw memory (i.e. the ability) (n) qaw remember (v) And while I'm at it... (Lieven < MO, 2/05/2018): ... {qaw}, he said, is a perfectly fine noun meaning memory in the sense of the ability to remember or the power of recall. It does not refer to specific memories or recollections. That's a different word: {wov'on}. It's more common to hear {wov'on qaw} "he/she remembers a memory" than {wov'on ghaj} "he/she has a memory", though the colloquial (English) translation of the former would be "he/she has a memory". Someone who remembers a lot of stuff or who can easily remember things (like dates or lines of a play) may be said to have a {qaw pov} "excellent memory". [qepHom 2021 re] Q & A in re {pol} "keep, save, store": MO: Make use of the verb {ngeq} "store, hoard, cache". When referring to memorizing something or knowing something by heart, the usual expression is along the lines of {ghuQ ngeqpu' qawwIj} "I've memorized the poem (literally "my memory has stored the poem"). [….] Q: Can this verb be used in the computer meaning sense? To "save" / store" a file on a disk? MO: Yes. Both words can. -- Voragh ------------------------------Original Message------------------------- Klingon word: ngonDer Part of speech: noun Definition: nostalgia Source: qep'a' 27 [2020] _______________________________________________ AFAIK never used in a sentence. (qep'a' 2020): Often the object of {SIQ} Apparently nostalgia is something to be endured, like pain: 'oy' DaSIQjaj May you endure the pain! (PK) yIn DayajmeH 'oy' yISIQ. To understand life, endure pain. (TKW) SEE: SIQ endure, bear (v) SEE ALSO: pa'logh past, the past (as a whole) (n) qun history (n) vIbHa' time-travel into the past, move through time toward the past (v) -- Voragh, Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

I’m not sure that Klingons would consider “endure” or “unpleasant” the same as we do: yIn DayajmeH 'oy' yISIQ. To understand life, endure pain. (TKW) 'oy' DaSIQjaj May you endure the pain! (PK) This last is from the second Rite of Ascension ritual which Worf - as a young Klingon growing up among humans - had missed, something he deeply regretted. (TNG "The Icarus Factor") In TNG "Parallels" Riker wanted to throw Worf a surprise birthday party but Troi talked him out of it, for which Worf was grateful. She knew that Klingons like to be alone on their birthday and said (only half joking), "You probably want to meditate or hit yourself with a painstik, or something." Of course, this could just be Worf who is not typical. <g> -- Voragh _____________________________________________ From: nIqolay Q On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 10:49 AM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote: Klingon word: ngonDer Part of speech: noun Definition: nostalgia Source: qep'a' 27 [2020] _______________________________________________ (qep'a' 2020): Often the object of {SIQ} Apparently nostalgia is something to be endured, like pain: Based on the information here: https://www.qephom.de/book/qepHom2021_p_12.jpg<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.qephom.de/book/qepHom2021_p_12.jpg__;!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!9lUMs_y6j32r4HebmrCnsJN6zwZlgp_6E-4syr3sfwKlur7QJ4l9P6Lv5be7_U6DXUi6Ky2Vl7lrPYyNlG0K$> (from http://klingon.wiki/En/NewWordsQepHom2021<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/klingon.wiki/En/NewWordsQepHom2021__;!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!9lUMs_y6j32r4HebmrCnsJN6zwZlgp_6E-4syr3sfwKlur7QJ4l9P6Lv5be7_U6DXUi6Ky2Vl7lrPQrJfP3Q$>), SIQ apparently can also be used in the more neutral sense of "experience" or "undergo", so it's possible that the object of SIQ doesn't have to be something unpleasant.

That certainly puts another spin on this line: QIt ghaHvaD yIn Hegh je vIghojmoH ‘ej ‘oy’ SIQ ghaH And teach him life and death, the slow and painful way! (PB) Who's teaching whom in this scene? Voragh --------------------------------Original Message------------------------- From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 3:20 PM Am 27.10.2022 um 20:26 schrieb nIqolay Q:

Apparently nostalgia is something to be endured, like pain:

*SIQ* apparently can also be used in the more neutral sense of "experience" or "undergo", so it's possible that the object of *SIQ* doesn't have to be something unpleasant.

Who says pain is something unpleasant? ;-)