Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Daghtuj jaj 'oH jajvam'e'
I was just thinking . . . if -Daq and other such noun suffixes can appear at the end of stative verbs that follow the nouns, aren't they really clitics instead of "noun suffixes"?
Remember that {-Daq} et al. exhibit sine other surprising behaviors (at least to this English speaker). It appears on cardinal numbers, at least in >proper names:
nImbuS wejDaq 'ejDo' 'entepray' ngeHlu'pu' The starship Enterprise has been dispatched to Nimbus III [ST5] Qo'noS wa'Daq baHta' ['entepray'] Enterprise fired on Kronos One... [ST6] Also, "If a Type 5 noun suffix is used ? it follows the verb, which, when used to modify the noun in this way, can have no other suffix except the >rover {-qu'} emphatic. The Type 5 noun suffix follows {-qu'} ... {veng tInqu'Daq} ?in the very big city" [TKD p.50]. In other words, {-Daq} attaches >to the quality modifying a noun, not the noun itself. More examples: veng tInDaq in the big city [TKD] wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap We succeed together in a greater whole. [TKW] batlh maHeghbej 'ej yo' qIjDaq vavpu'ma' DImuv Then we die with honor and join our fathers in the Black Fleet... [Anthem] If it helps, think of {qep?a? wejDIch} as the proper, official name of the qep?a? - i.e. the Third [KLI] Conference ? a sort of inseparable phrase. -- Voragh
jatlh James Landau: * I was just thinking . . . if -Daq and other such noun suffixes can appear at the end of stative verbs that follow the nouns, aren't they really clitics instead of "noun suffixes"? Even without that feature, it's already arguable that the type 5 noun suffixes are clitics. They don't actually modify the noun, but rather perform a syntactic purpose within the larger verb clause. The very title of the group and description in TKD imply that they are really clitics and not true affixes. None-the-less, treating them as noun suffixes that follow all the other noun suffixes makes it much easier for non-linguists and keeps the description simpler and more consistent. If you are asking whether a linguistic description of the features of Klingon should note that these are actually clitics, then I would accept that as most likely true. If you are asking whether we should stop calling them suffixes when talking about them in the Klingonist community, then I give a very forceful, "No!" janSIy
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