suffix {-qang} and {-Qo'}
If I write {qaQaHqangQo'}, then what does it mean ? Does it mean "I am willing to refuse to help you", or "I refuse to be willing to help you" ? Or does it mean both ? ~nIghma'
On 10/19/2017 3:42 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
If I write {qaQaHqangQo'}, then what does it mean ?
Does it mean "I am willing to refuse to help you", or "I refuse to be willing to help you" ? Or does it mean both ?
Your question is really asking, do suffixes apply in a particular order? The answer is: yes, no, and maybe. Sometimes it seems to matter, sometimes it doesn't. What's important is that your reader or listener can understand what you say. If you're not sure they can, rephrase. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
All the examples I know of -Qo' used with another suffix: bIjatlhQo'chugh if you refuse to speak. (TKD) choja'Qo'chugh if you won't tell me, if you refuse to tell me (TKD) bISaqQo'chugh vaj bIHegh (STID) HIHoHvIpQo' don't be afraid to kill me! (TKD) 'ang'eghQo' quv Hutlhbogh jagh neH ghobtaHvIS ghaH Only an enemy without honor refuses to show himself in battle. (TKW) quv HIja'chuqQo' Don't speak to me of honor. (PB) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons -----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of SuStel On 10/19/2017 3:42 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
If I write {qaQaHqangQo'}, then what does it mean ?
Does it mean "I am willing to refuse to help you", or "I refuse to be
willing to help you" ? Or does it mean both ?
Your question is really asking, do suffixes apply in a particular order? The answer is: yes, no, and maybe. Sometimes it seems to matter, sometimes it doesn't. What's important is that your reader or listener can understand what you say. If you're not sure they can, rephrase. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 10/19/2017 4:36 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
All the examples I know of *-Qo'* used with another suffix:
*bIjatlhQo'chugh* if you refuse to speak. (TKD)
*choja'Qo'chugh *if you won't tell me, if you refuse to tell me (TKD)* *
*bISaqQo'chugh vaj bIHegh* (STID) **
*HIHoHvIpQo'* don't be afraid to kill me! (TKD)* *
*'ang'eghQo' quv Hutlhbogh jagh neH ghobtaHvIS ghaH* Only an enemy without honor refuses to show himself in battle. (TKW)
*quv HIja'chuqQo'* Don't speak to me of honor. (PB)
Of these, the first three involve a type 9 suffix, whose meaning pretty much /has/ to encompass the whole rest of the verb. The last two involve reflexive suffixes, and it doesn't seem to matter what order you apply them (refuse to "show himself" or "refuse to show" himself). The last one would be useful if it were indicative, but as an imperative this could only be interpreted differently if we assumed the indicative /refuse/ meaning /(be afraid to refuse to kill me!) /rather than the given imperative meaning. I don't think we can do that. So I don't think any of these examples really get at the heart of mayqel's question. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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