I noticed that KGT lists {'uD} for "laser" and HolQeD seems to have it listed as {'uD'a'} originating in veS QonoS. Is there any additional information on this difference? Unfortunately, HolQeD issue 2 and 3 are the only ones I do not have in my archives, so I could not look it up myself. (PS: any idea where to get them?) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/VeSQonoS
Wow. It’s been a while since my ancient AKD was useful. {‘uD’a’} HolQeD volume 1, number 3, page 9 yes QonoS {‘uD} KGT Both have the same English definition of “laser” with no explanation for the difference. There’s also {‘uD Haqtaj} for “laser scalpel” in the same issue of HolQeD. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Oct 30, 2020, at 3:08 AM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
I noticed that KGT lists {'uD} for "laser" and HolQeD seems to have it listed as {'uD'a'} originating in veS QonoS.
Is there any additional information on this difference? Unfortunately, HolQeD issue 2 and 3 are the only ones I do not have in my archives, so I could not look it up myself. (PS: any idea where to get them?)
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/VeSQonoS _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
For unknown reasons, my issues of HolQeD were in sequence for all but the first Volume, which were scattered among other books of similar size. Still can’t find Volume 1, Number 1, but I found Number 3. Not much to go on there, since I don’t have yes QonoS, but here’s what I could scan on my iPhone with its limited OCR capabilities: ********************** Additional Vocabulary KLl Archives One of the purposes of the RM is to establish and maintain a collection of works relating to Klingon language and culture. The following is an excerpt from an issue of veS QonoS, a newsletter published by Mortas-Te-Kaase, dated 1990. It was supplied by Tom Scheuer who, along with Marc Okrand, graciously provided permission for its reprinting in HolQeD. While a few of the items below were more formally published in last year's reissue of TKD, most of them will be new to you, and are a welcome addition. The following word list was granted permission for publication in veS QonoS by the HolloD on 490/3.18 (Copyright 1990 Marc Okrand). Reprinting of this list in any other work is prohibited without the express permission of Marc Okrand. [So, I’m not publishing the list, just the item in question and the paragraphs above offered for context.] tlhlngan tera'nan laser ‘uD’a’ Laser scalpel ‘uD Haqtaj ********************** Again, there’s no explanation for the difference between {‘uD’a’} and {‘uD}, but then, we call both a laser pointer and an industrial metal-cutting laser a “laser” and maybe Klingons would call one an {‘uDHom} and the other an {‘uD’a’}. If the Reagan era fantasies of a satellite that could zap armies from space had actually been built, we’d still just call it a laser. So, it makes sense that Klingons might have different names for different things that we’d have just one name for. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Oct 30, 2020, at 3:08 AM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
I noticed that KGT lists {'uD} for "laser" and HolQeD seems to have it listed as {'uD'a'} originating in veS QonoS.
Is there any additional information on this difference? Unfortunately, HolQeD issue 2 and 3 are the only ones I do not have in my archives, so I could not look it up myself. (PS: any idea where to get them?)
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/VeSQonoS _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Here's what I have in my notes: 'uD laser (n) KGT sic for {'uD'a'} - an error from the "official charghwI' list" at the KLI web site [source?] 'uD Haqtaj laser scalpel (n) (medical device) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS] 'uD'a' laser (n) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS] If {'uD'a'} is the correct form, it begs the question: "What is {'uD}? Perhaps a beam of light? Or a smallish, low-power laser (suitable for surgical devices), with {'uD'a'} being the more powerful kind used in industry or as a weapon? Note we also have {tIH} "ray, energy beam" adapted from {tIH} "shaft (of spear)". -- Voragh -----Original Message----------Original Message----------Original Message----- From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 2:09 AM I noticed that KGT lists {'uD} for "laser" and HolQeD seems to have it listed as {'uD'a'} originating in veS QonoS. Is there any additional information on this difference? Unfortunately, HolQeD issue 2 and 3 are the only ones I do not have in my archives, so I could not look it up myself. (PS: any idea where to get them?) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/VeSQonoS _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 14:56, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Here's what I have in my notes:
'uD laser (n) KGT sic for {'uD'a'} - an error from the "official charghwI' list" at the KLI web site [source?]
Why do you think this is an error, as opposed to just the same noun with the suffix {-'a'}?
'uD Haqtaj laser scalpel (n) (medical device) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS]
'uD'a' laser (n) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS]
If {'uD'a'} is the correct form, it begs the question: "What is {'uD}? Perhaps a beam of light? Or a smallish, low-power laser (suitable for surgical devices), with {'uD'a'} being the more powerful kind used in industry or as a weapon?
This is how I have understood the definitions, that {'uD} and {'uD'a'} both mean "laser", with the latter being a bigger, more powerful, or more important version of the former. -- De'vID
That’s how I’ve always understood it. I don’t necessarily think it’s an error, only that someone, sometime, somewhere thought it might have been – so I made a note of it. I don’t have KGT handy, so I don’t know whether {‘uD’a’} and {‘uD Haqtaj} were listed in KGT. As a rule I only note the source for the first appearance of words revealed after TKD, and these first appeared in the veS Qonos fan letter. Can someone check? -- Voragh From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of De'vID Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 3:33 AM On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 14:56, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote: Here's what I have in my notes: 'uD laser (n) KGT sic for {'uD'a'} - an error from the "official charghwI' list" at the KLI web site [source?] Why do you think this is an error, as opposed to just the same noun with the suffix {-'a'}? 'uD Haqtaj laser scalpel (n) (medical device) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS] 'uD'a' laser (n) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS] If {'uD'a'} is the correct form, it begs the question: "What is {'uD}? Perhaps a beam of light? Or a smallish, low-power laser (suitable for surgical devices), with {'uD'a'} being the more powerful kind used in industry or as a weapon? This is how I have understood the definitions, that {'uD} and {'uD'a'} both mean "laser", with the latter being a bigger, more powerful, or more important version of the former. -- De'vID
{‘uD} is in KGT in both the K->E and E->K sides. {‘uD Haqtaj} is not. {‘uD’a’} is not. The current version of the KLI’s online New Words List doesn’t include listings for KGT, so it doesn’t include {‘uD} but it includes both other entries. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Nov 2, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
That’s how I’ve always understood it.
I don’t necessarily think it’s an error, only that someone, sometime, somewhere thought it might have been – so I made a note of it. I don’t have KGT handy, so I don’t know whether {‘uD’a’} and {‘uD Haqtaj} were listed in KGT. As a rule I only note the source for the first appearance of words revealed after TKD, and these first appeared in the veS Qonos fan letter. Can someone check?
-- Voragh
From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of De'vID Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 3:33 AM
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 14:56, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu <mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote: Here's what I have in my notes:
'uD laser (n) KGT sic for {'uD'a'} - an error from the "official charghwI' list" at the KLI web site [source?]
Why do you think this is an error, as opposed to just the same noun with the suffix {-'a'}?
'uD Haqtaj laser scalpel (n) (medical device) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS]
'uD'a' laser (n) [HQ 1.3:9 < veS QonoS]
If {'uD'a'} is the correct form, it begs the question: "What is {'uD}? Perhaps a beam of light? Or a smallish, low-power laser (suitable for surgical devices), with {'uD'a'} being the more powerful kind used in industry or as a weapon?
This is how I have understood the definitions, that {'uD} and {'uD'a'} both mean "laser", with the latter being a bigger, more powerful, or more important version of the former.
-- De'vID _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 at 15:56, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
That’s how I’ve always understood it.
I don’t necessarily think it’s an error, only that someone, sometime, somewhere thought it might have been – so I made a note of it. I don’t have KGT handy, so I don’t know whether {‘uD’a’} and {‘uD Haqtaj} were listed in KGT. As a rule I only note the source for the first appearance of words revealed after TKD, and these first appeared in the veS Qonos fan letter. Can someone check?
{'uD'a'} and {'uD Haqtaj} are not in KGT, only {'uD} is. However, {Haqtaj} is from the TKD Appendix, so effectively KGT gives enough info to put {'uD Haqtaj} together. -- De'vID
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