On 10/7/2021 1:41 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:

On Oct 7, 2021, at 11:07 AM, mayqel qunen'oS<mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

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DI'onmey qab yugh je qa'maj, 'ej 'e' temchugh vay', nepwI' qoH je ghaH. Hoch DachIwbe' SoH. ju'oS reH 'e' DaQublaw'. bIwoghmo' bIberghmoH.

veqlarghlIj yIbuS, 'ach veqlarghwIj 'oH je 'e' yImaqQo'. mIt qa'wIj'e'. yInwIj wIvmey vIpaybe' 'ej qa'wIj DI'on vIparbe'.

jatlhDI' Qa'yIn, pIj Dut. DutmeH mIwHeyDajvaD maqta'ghach Dapongpu'. maH nu'oS mu'Daj 'e' Hechbe'law'. bIbomDI' 'ej bIjatlhDI', Dun wo'maj, 'ej Qochchugh vay', vaj DaSmeylIj bIngDaq chaH DabeQmoHchu''a'? ghobe'. bISorHa'pu'. bIlachpu'. jaSHa' jatlh Qa'yIn. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

SuStel, bIlughchu'. 'a ghunchu'wI' meqmey DayajnIS. toy'wI''a'pu' neH ghunchu'wI'. 'a not ghaHvaD toy'wI''a' vIDaqangpu', 'ej ngoDvam SIQlaHbe'chu' ghunchu'wI'. ghunchu'wI' luquvmoHchu'taH facebook taghwI'pu'. 'ej ngoDvammo' pIn ghaH 'e' Har ghunchu'wI'. chaq latlhpu' pIn ghaH. 'a pInwIj ghaHbe' ghunchu'wI''e', 'ej not moj. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

On 10/7/2021 2:37 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:

Hoch qa' DaSov 'e' Daqap SoH, 'ej 'eDjen jIH'e' 'e' Dachup? bIrIS 'a' bI'aw'laHbe'. qabuSHa'.

I'm pretty sure this entire exchange is due to a misunderstanding of rhetorical styles. He wasn't actually saying (in his first message) that you or anyone here is a lying fool; he was just using a hypothetical "someone" as a rhetorical enemy to put a great deal of emphasis behind his statement. As I said in my other message, it should be taken in exactly the same spirit as Krankor's "if anyone disagrees, we'll crush them beneath our boots": not literally, not as judgment directed at you, just as over-the-top rhetoric. That's how he always talks, so I recognized it right away. It was a perfectly friendly message describing a philosophical viewpoint. (I'm not addressing the subsequent messages here because they were in response to a perceived slight, and so were no longer in the rhetorical style or friendly.) -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

I can say with experience that attempts to ignore or disallow any member of the community from expressing an opinion here rarely proves effective. Finding a way to respect those unlike yourself is challenging, but… yIn napmoHlaH mIwvam. Most grudges here come down to attempts to determine who has the authority over others, when the list is primarily a meritocracy. Contributions to the improvement of understanding of the language and the development of its capabilities buys more influence than insults, and attempts to put people in their place is a lot like trying to push a rope. They just don’t go where you want them to go. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

On Oct 7, 2021, at 3:07 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

ghunchu'wI',

chobuSHa' 'e' vItul. SoHmo' poHwIj vIlo'Ha' vIneHbe'..

Do'Ha' jIHvaD bIjangchoHpu' *SoH*. Do'Ha' QInmeywIj DaleghDI', QInmeyvam DalaD.

So do me a favor..

not QInwIj tIlaDqa', not jIHvaD yIjangqa'.

qavuvbe', vuDlIj vISaHbe'chu', jangmeH QInmeylIj vIlaDqa' vIneHbe'.

not jIHvaD yIjangqa', 'ej not SoHvaD jIjangqa'.

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