{SaD} {SanID} difference
Besides the info, that is written in tkd, is there any other info on the words {SaD} & {SanID} ? According to tkd, both are more or less "the same", being used with the same frequency. But is any one of them, slang ? Or is one more "formal" than the other ? bara'qa'
(TKD 53): Higher numbers are formed by adding special number-forming elements to the basic set of numbers (1-9) ... Both {SaD} and {SanID} are equally correct for thousand, and both are used with roughly equal frequency. It is not known why this number alone has two variants. AFAIK Okrand has never revealed the reason. (Has anyone asked him?) Turning to the corpus we learn that there’s only one example of {SanID}: vagh SanID ben buDbe' wamwI'pu'. 5,000 years ago, hunters were not lazy. (st.k 11/1999) … while {SaD} is used everywhere else: qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH qetbogh loD 4,000 throats may be cut in one night by a running man. (TKD; two words] vaghSaD wejvatlh loSmaH Soch 5,347 (KLS) SaD DIS poH millennium (n) (HQ 8.3:3) cha'SaD DeQ 2000 credits. (PK) vaghSaD DeQ HInob Give me 5,000 credits! (PK) chorghSaD qelI'qam HIvchuq'e' vInoH Estimating attack range in 8,000 kellicams. (ST5) wejvatlh SochmaH vagh SaD cheb'a'mey ngI' Duj Mass: 8.7 KT. (KBoP; two words] tlheDDI' quvmoHmeH veng HeHDaq lutlha' SaD law' nuvpu' Thousands followed him to the edge of the city, to bid him farewell. (PB) ngIq tonSaw' lo' SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS wej boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH In one single move, Kahless decided the fate of thousands, and those to come. (PB) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of mayqel qunen'oS Besides the info, that is written in tkd, is there any other info on the words {SaD} & {SanID} ? According to tkd, both are more or less "the same", being used with the same frequency. But is any one of them, slang ? Or is one more "formal" than the other ?
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:18 AM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
(TKD 53): Higher numbers are formed by adding special number-forming elements to the basic set of numbers (1-9) ... Both {SaD} and {SanID} are equally correct for thousand, and both are used with roughly equal frequency. It is not known why this number alone has two variants.
AFAIK Okrand has never revealed the reason. (Has anyone asked him?)
*meq vISovbe'. mu' wa'DIch qolHa'pu' Hov leng wej ghetwI'pu' vaj cha' mu'vetlh tutlhmoHta' 'oqranD, 'e' vI'Ir.* *DIvI' Hol mu' <thousand> 'InDogh Qav rur cha' mu'vetlh. chaq DIvI' Hol mu'mey luqa'lu'meH**, **QIch wab qonnISqa'pu' * *ghetwI'pu'* *.*
maj.. And now I ask.. You are going to translate, a looong text. Which one of the two, would you choose, and why ? ~ 'ISterlIng qIj
Am 25.11.2019 um 18:53 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
You are going to translate, a looong text. Which one of the two, would you choose, and why ?
This is my personal opinion with no logic at all, but for myself, I have decided to use the longer version {SanID} in simple numbers (5,000) and the short version {SaD} in mixed numbers (9,874). Just for the sound of it. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/Word/SanID http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Numbers
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 18:39, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:18 AM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
(TKD 53): Higher numbers are formed by adding special number-forming elements to the basic set of numbers (1-9) ... Both {SaD} and {SanID} are equally correct for thousand, and both are used with roughly equal frequency. It is not known why this number alone has two variants.
AFAIK Okrand has never revealed the reason. (Has anyone asked him?)
*meq vISovbe'. mu' wa'DIch qolHa'pu' Hov leng wej ghetwI'pu' vaj cha' mu'vetlh tutlhmoHta' 'oqranD, 'e' vI'Ir.*
*DIvI' Hol mu' <thousand> 'InDogh Qav rur cha' mu'vetlh. chaq DIvI' Hol mu'mey luqa'lu'meH**, **QIch wab qonnISqa'pu' * *ghetwI'pu'* *.*
{SaD} and {SanID} were very likely created to fit the several lines which say "Range, X thou*sand* kellicams" in Star Trek III. Maybe he created two versions both of which fit the mouth movement for "thousand", to see which one sounded better or had the right length when the actor spoke it, but it was left undecided when they didn't film those lines in Klingon. -- De'vID
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