Am 14.11.2016 um 02:52 schrieb Ed Bailey:

jatlh Lieven:

Sub ghaHbe' not pumbogh loD. Sub ghaH reH Hu'bogh loD, pumDI' ghaH.

qen tay'taH'a' 'op Morskanganpu' SoH je?

net Sov, pabHa'wI' ghaH morska ngan. :-) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net

qoy' qunnoq, jatlh: please, tell me that this sentence is a dialect and not ta' Hol, because if it is ta' Hol I'll blow my brains out ! bIlugh: KGT pp. 22-4. pabha'DI', morskangan rur. jaSHa' Haghqa'chugh, morskangan gha Lieven 'e' vIpI. qunnoq, jIHmo' maDachchoHchugh jItlhIj. ~mIp'av

jIH:

pumpu'DI' batman Qup, ghaHvaD jatlhta' vavDaj: ghunchu'wI': Batman vav Hoghlu'pu', qar'a'? yIntaHvIS vavDaj, wej Batman mojta'.

batman yIn lubopbogh wanI''e' DIqelchu'chugh vaj bIlugh; 'ach chIch *batman* mu' vIlo'ta'. qatlh ? nuv rap chaHmo' batman'e' bruce wayne'e' je. jIH:

toH, ngugh taH vavDaj: ghunchu'wI': I think you mean {ghIq} "subsequently", not {ngugh} "at that time". You could also just say {vaj} "thus".

Well, yes and no.. In the strict sense of the events and klingon grammar, then you're right; {ghIq} was definitely the way to go. 'ach the problem with {ghIq} -if I used it in place of {ngugh}- was that it gave off a wrong *feeling* of the events being described. I indeed considered writing {toH, ngugh taH vavDaj}. But this sentence *felt* (to me), as if: a. batman fell b. his father went for coffee c. and then he decided to talk to him I know that the {ghIq} does not "inherently" specify the "time which passed", so I'm not saying that my choice of {ngugh}, was indeed "grammatically" right. It's just that for the intented meaning I *felt* that the {ngugh} was superior. ghunchu'wI'

{taH} means something like "keep existing". The idea you're probably going for here would be well expressed by {jatlhqa'} "resume speaking".

oh yeah.. you're 100% right on this one. I used the {taH}, because on several occasions I saw it being used in this list when someone is quoting another. Obviously a wrong choice, which stuck with me for quite some time now.. I reprimanded my linguistics officer for being so careless, and I will not repeat the same mistake again. ghunchu'wI':

maDub'eghmeH 'utbe' pumpu'ghach.

vuDlIj vIyajlaH, 'ach jIQoch. 'ej jIQochmo' vuDwIj vIQIjnISba'.. maboghDI', 'ej qo'vamDaq wIpaw, yabmajDaq pagh De' tu'lu'. qo' wItu'meH, yIn wIyajlaHmeH pIj maQaghnIS. qaSDI' Qaghmey, 'oy' wIyIntaHvIS, qaStaHvIS wanI'vam neH, maDublaH. DaH, HIyajHa'Qo' ! jIjatlhbe', 'oy' Qaghmey je vIparHa'.. mu'meyvam vIjatlhbe'bej. 'ach Do'Ha' 'ut wanI'meyvam. ghunchu'wI', yIghel'egh: puqvaD jatlhlu': qul yIHotQo' ! 'ach qul Hotbe'chugh puq, vaj ghojlaHbe' puq. vay' meQlaH qul; 'e' HarlaHbe' puq. 'ej latlh ghantoH vIghItlh vIneH.. chay' tlhIngan Hol wIghojtaH ? Holvam wIghIlthtaH, 'ej wIghItlhtaHvIS maQaghtaH. ghIq wIlughmoHlu', 'ej wIlughmoHlu'mo' maDublaH. not jIQagh net jalchugh; vaj chay' jIghojlaH ? chay' jIDublaH ? meqmeyvammo', Do'Ha' 'ut Qaghmey.. qunnoH jan puqloD On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:03 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:

mIp'av:

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bIlugh: KGT pp. 22-4. pabha'DI', morskangan rur. jaSHa' Haghqa'chugh, morskangan gha Lieven 'e' vIpI. qunnoq, jIHmo' maDachchoHchugh jItlhIj.

mIp'av, DaH jIyajchu' ! qatlho' !

qunnoH

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:

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qoy' qunnoq, jatlh: please, tell me that this sentence is a dialect and not ta' Hol, because if it is ta' Hol I'll blow my brains out !

bIlugh: KGT pp. 22-4.

pabha'DI', morskangan rur. jaSHa' Haghqa'chugh, morskangan gha Lieven 'e' vIpI.

qunnoq, jIHmo' maDachchoHchugh jItlhIj.

~mIp'av

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