How much do you pay for a coffee ?
toH, jISIvtaH.. 'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be' vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS. SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ? mop Hurgh
tlhoS jIlIjpu'.. qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:22 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
toH, jISIvtaH..
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be' vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS.
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
mop Hurgh
On 7/6/2016 9:22 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be'
neHbe'lu'chugh
vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS.
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
jISovbe': qa'vIn vItlhutlhbe'. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
jIH:
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be' SuStel: neHbe'lu'chugh
oh yes, of course ! thanks for pointing this out ! On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 5:38 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/6/2016 9:22 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be'
neHbe'lu'chugh
vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS.
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
jISovbe': qa'vIn vItlhutlhbe'.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:22 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
not qa'vIn vIDIlpu'. taSvetlh 'up vIcherghlaHbe'. wIbqu' 'ej 'eyHa'chu'. DIlmeH latlhpu''e', chaq $2 poQlu'. jISovchu'be'.
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'? -- ghunchu'wI'
qa'vInwIj vIvut jIH. qa'vIn qach vIghoSbe'. buq vIje'. vaj, jIHvaD qav'ap 'oH vI' wa' wej (.13) dollar'e'. wa'logh qa'vIn qach ghoS be'nalwI', 'ej Soch dollar nob. roD wa' dollar, cha' dollar ghap noblu' (jatlh be'nal.) - DloraH On Wed, 2016-07-06 at 16:22 +0300, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
toH, jISIvtaH..
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be' vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS.
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
mop Hurgh
qa'vIn vItlhutlhbe' 'a qa'naDa'Daq Sarqu'mo' HIvje'mey, qa'vIn Seghmey je janglaHbe'law' vay'.
-----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS Sent: July 6, 2016 6:22 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] How much do you pay for a coffee ?
toH, jISIvtaH..
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be' vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS.
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
mop Hurgh _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Qov, SuStel, ghunchu'wI', DloraH je, Sujangta'mo' jIQuchchoH ! Qov, SuStel, ghunchu'wI' and DloraH, thank you for replying ! ghunchu'wI':
jISovchu'be'.
I like this use of {-chu'} together with {Sov} ! jIH:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS. ghunchu'wI': qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?}. My sentence meant "at a coffee house if someone wants to sit, then usually 4 euros he needs to give". But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ? If this means "and the one who pays (the 4 euros), does he receive the coffee?" then the answer is : HIja' ; qa'vInvetlh Hev 'ej tlhutlhmeH qa'vIn qachDaq ba'laH. yes ; he receives that coffee and he is able to sit at the coffee house in order to drink it. mop Hurgh qunnoq On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
qa'vIn vItlhutlhbe' 'a qa'naDa'Daq Sarqu'mo' HIvje'mey, qa'vIn Seghmey je janglaHbe'law' vay'.
-----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS Sent: July 6, 2016 6:22 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] How much do you pay for a coffee ?
toH, jISIvtaH..
'elaDya'Daq, qa'vIn HIvje' neHlu'chugh 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'lu' neHlu'be' vaj HIvje'vetlh qa'vIn je'meH motlh 1.5 euro nobnIS.
SepmeyrajDaq 'ar Huch noblu'nIS ?
mop Hurgh _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On 7 July 2016 at 09:49, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
ghunchu'wI':
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?}. My sentence meant "at a coffee house if someone wants to sit, then usually 4 euros he needs to give".
But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ?
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?" He's asking whether the 4 euros is just the fee for sitting (and the customer would have to pay the 1.5 euro for an actual coffee), or whether it includes the coffee. -- De'vID
De'vID:
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?" He's asking whether the 4 euros is just the fee for sitting (and the customer would have to pay the 1.5 euro for an actual coffee), or whether it includes the coffee.
maj ! loS *euro*mey lunoblu'DI' vaj qa'vIn Hev ghaH 'ej qa'vIn qachDaq ba'laH je. On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:18 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 July 2016 at 09:49, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
ghunchu'wI':
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?}. My sentence meant "at a coffee house if someone wants to sit, then usually 4 euros he needs to give".
But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ?
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?"
He's asking whether the 4 euros is just the fee for sitting (and the customer would have to pay the 1.5 euro for an actual coffee), or whether it includes the coffee.
-- De'vID _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
qunnoq:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
ghunchu'wI':
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
qunnoq:
But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ?
De'vID:
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?"
(TKD 55): The noun conjunction {je} has an additional function: when it follows a verb, it means "also, too": qaleghpu' je I also saw you. I saw you too. As in English, the meaning of such sentences is ambiguous: "I and others saw you" or "I saw you and others". The exact meaning is determined by context. Some more examples: Dargh vIqem je I'll bring tea also. CK jIghung je I am also hungry. PK jI'oj je I am also thirsty. PK pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je Glory to you and your house. KGT ("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly.") Qo'noSDaq boqwI'mey nejmeH je leng qeylIS 'ej chaHvaD lut ja' Kahless also went out to search for allies across Kronos, and told them his tale. PB
maj ! On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
qunnoq:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
ghunchu'wI':
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
qunnoq:
But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ?
De'vID:
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?"
(TKD 55): The noun conjunction {je} has an additional function: when it follows a verb, it means "also, too": qaleghpu' je I also saw you. I saw you too. As in English, the meaning of such sentences is ambiguous: "I and others saw you" or "I saw you and others". The exact meaning is determined by context.
Some more examples:
Dargh vIqem je I'll bring tea also. CK
jIghung je I am also hungry. PK
jI'oj je I am also thirsty. PK
pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je Glory to you and your house. KGT ("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly.")
Qo'noSDaq boqwI'mey nejmeH je leng qeylIS 'ej chaHvaD lut ja' Kahless also went out to search for allies across Kronos, and told them his tale. PB
_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Sar. leng qa'vIn qutlh vIneHchugh, HaDwI' jIHmo' wa' *yuro'* neH vInobnIS. DaH qa'vIn qub vItlhutlhtaH. vIDIlmeH wej vI' vagh *yuro'* vInob. qa'vIn qachDaq vItlhutlh 'e' luSaHbe'; law' ba'meH Daq. ________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 17:31 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] How much do you pay for a coffee ? maj ! On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
qunnoq:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
ghunchu'wI':
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
qunnoq:
But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ?
De'vID:
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?"
(TKD 55): The noun conjunction {je} has an additional function: when it follows a verb, it means "also, too": qaleghpu' je I also saw you. I saw you too. As in English, the meaning of such sentences is ambiguous: "I and others saw you" or "I saw you and others". The exact meaning is determined by context.
Some more examples:
Dargh vIqem je I'll bring tea also. CK
jIghung je I am also hungry. PK
jI'oj je I am also thirsty. PK
pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je Glory to you and your house. KGT ("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly.")
Qo'noSDaq boqwI'mey nejmeH je leng qeylIS 'ej chaHvaD lut ja' Kahless also went out to search for allies across Kronos, and told them his tale. PB
_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
maj felix ! 'ej Suverya' 'oH SeplIj'e', qar'a' ? On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
Sar. leng qa'vIn qutlh vIneHchugh, HaDwI' jIHmo' wa' *yuro'* neH vInobnIS.
DaH qa'vIn qub vItlhutlhtaH. vIDIlmeH wej vI' vagh *yuro'* vInob. qa'vIn qachDaq vItlhutlh 'e' luSaHbe'; law' ba'meH Daq.
________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 17:31 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] How much do you pay for a coffee ?
maj !
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
qunnoq:
qa'vIn qachDaq ba' vay' neHlu'chugh vaj motlh 4 *euro*mey nobnIS.
ghunchu'wI':
qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'?
qunnoq:
But I can't understand the {qa'vIn Hev'a' je DIlwI'} ; "coffee he receives (question) and/too the one who pays for" ?
De'vID:
You clearly do understand it: "Does the payer receive a coffee too?"
(TKD 55): The noun conjunction {je} has an additional function: when it follows a verb, it means "also, too": qaleghpu' je I also saw you. I saw you too. As in English, the meaning of such sentences is ambiguous: "I and others saw you" or "I saw you and others". The exact meaning is determined by context.
Some more examples:
Dargh vIqem je I'll bring tea also. CK
jIghung je I am also hungry. PK
jI'oj je I am also thirsty. PK
pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je Glory to you and your house. KGT ("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly.")
Qo'noSDaq boqwI'mey nejmeH je leng qeylIS 'ej chaHvaD lut ja' Kahless also went out to search for allies across Kronos, and told them his tale. PB
_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
participants (8)
-
Alan Anderson -
De'vID -
DloraH -
Felix Malmenbeck -
mayqel qunenoS -
Robyn Stewart -
Steven Boozer -
SuStel