Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: 'opuHwI'
Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}? Or is it yet another member of the family of nouns with {-wI'}: {chamwI', DeghwI', De'wI'}?
On 1/7/2024 7:29 PM, Michael Kúnin via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}? Or is it yet another member of the family of nouns with {-wI'}: {chamwI', DeghwI', De'wI'}?
I doubt we're supposed to infer the existence of a verb *'opuH.* Instead, remember the discussion in TKD on "other complex nouns" (section 3.2.3) where "it is not possible... to know what the individual pieces mean." This goes for the words you listed above: we can hypothesize that those are fixed forms that end with the "one who does" suffix, but we don't /know/ that. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Michael Kúnin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}?
We can’t know whether it’s unrevealed or nonexistent. If we eventually learn of such a verb, we shouldn’t be surprised, but we also shouldn’t expect one. — ghunchu'wI'
Has {wI’} ever been used as a sort of noun morpheme, i.e. NOT as the suffix {-wI'} “one who is/does, thing which does”? We have a few examples of what appear to be other verb suffixes used as morphemes, e.g. : (-DI' as soon as, when [V9]) HanDI' cell (n) nguSDI' motor (n) (-lI' in progress [V7]) beylI' bank (n) DoylI’ cart (n) HablI' data transceiving device (n) (more likely related to the verb {lI'} “transmit data (to a place)”) nebeylI’ sarcophagus (fancy) (n) (-ta' accomplished, done [V7]) jonta' engine (n) lIngta' *lingta* (type of animal) (n) [regional?] mIqta' machinery (n) qoSta' ribbon, tape (n) I looked through my notes but there are too many to search quickly. -- Voragh __________________________________________________________ From: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh via tlhIngan-Hol Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: 'opuHwI' On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Michael Kúnin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org<mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote: Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}? We can’t know whether it’s unrevealed or nonexistent. If we eventually learn of such a verb, we shouldn’t be surprised, but we also shouldn’t expect one.
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