DoyIchlanDaq Qatqu' paq wab tamey. noyqu' lut mIr *ghelmeH wej ngutlh* (DoyIchlan Hol: *Die drei Fragezeichen*, DIvI' Hol: *The Three Investigators*). poymar HeS je panbogh wej QulwI' Qup'e' bop. lutvam tIvqu' HojnIypu' nenwI'pu' je. DIS 1964 'amerI'qa' SepjIjQa'Daq paq wa'DIch ghItlhlu'pu'. DIS 1990 lut mIr baqlu'pu', Qap 'e' mevmo'. 'ach DoyIchlanDaq QaptaH, vaj DoyIchlan Hol paqmey lughItlhchoHlu'pu' 'ej DaHjaj lughItlhlu'taH. DoyIchlanDaq neH paq wab ta tu'lu'. DIS 1979 paq wab ta wa'DIch chenmoHlu'pu', wa' wen paq wab ta cha'vatlh wa'maH wa'DIch. qonchoHpu'DI', puq chaH jatlhwI''e', DaHjaj qontaH. DoyIchlanDaq noyqu', muchpa'mey tInDaq muchmeychaj bej SaD law'. qo'Daq paq wab tavam chep law' Hoch chep puS. As usual, I would appreciate any help / correction in order to improve my Klingon. I also have three questions: 1. With *paq wab ta*, *ghelmeH ngutlh* and *QulwI'* I've tried to render the meanings *audiobook*, *question mark* and *investigator/detective* respectively. Maybe there are better options? (Actually, the series is an *audio drama*, rather than an *audiobook*, I don't know how that distinction could be rendered in Klingon). 2. Is the position of the number *wej* in *ghelmeH wej ngutlh* right? Or should it go before the purpose clause, assuming *ghelmeH ngutlh* is a unit? 3. Is it possible in Klingon to elide shared elements like in this sentence: *DIS 1979 paq wab ta wa'DIch chenmoHlu'pu', wa' wen paq wab ta cha'vatlh wa'maH wa'DIch.* Thank you!
Luis, sorry I didn't respond right away but I wanted to research this a bit: How to refer to more than one "purpose noun"? AFAIK we only have three plural examples. The general plural is formed - as you would expect - by adding the usual plural suffix to the noun: 'elmeH chaw'mey je'lu'ta'bogh will-call tickets (Washington Shakespeare Company) je'meH lengmey Shopping (TalkNow: a "Category Title") When there is a number stated the number is inserted between the VERB + {-meH} and the noun which has the plural suffix: polmeH jav QujwI' lIwmey 6 collectible tokens (Monopoly) As always remember that plural suffixes are optional in Klingon, especially with a number (which makes it clear there's more than one). -- Voragh, Ca'Non Master of the Klingons -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- From: luis.chaparro@web.de Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:08 PM 1. With *paq wab ta*, *ghelmeH ngutlh* and *QulwI'* I've tried to render the meanings *audiobook*, *question mark* and *investigator/detective* respectively. [...] 2. Is the position of the number *wej* in *ghelmeH wej ngutlh* right? Or should it go before the purpose clause, assuming *ghelmeH ngutlh* is a unit?
Voragh:
Luis, sorry I didn't respond right away but I wanted to research this a bit: How to refer to more than one "purpose noun"? AFAIK we only have three plural examples.
No problem! I really appreciate the help I get here and I can absolutely understand that it's not always possible to reply to all emails immediately or even to get all questions answered. So: thank you very much for your reply!
When there is a number stated the number is inserted between the VERB + {-meH} and the noun which has the plural suffix:
polmeH jav QujwI' lIwmey 6 collectible tokens (Monopoly)
That's exactly what I was looking for! By the way, may I bother you with the other question? I also tried to render the meanings of *audiobook / audio drama*, *question mark* and *investigator / detective* (*paq wab ta*, *ghelmeH ngutlh* and *QulwI'*). Is there a better translation for these terms? Thank you!
'elmeH chaw'mey je'lu'ta'bogh will-call tickets (Washington Shakespeare Company)
I think there's {lu-} missing; it should be {'elmeH chaw'mey luje'lu'ta'bogh}
polmeH jav QujwI' lIwmey 6 collectible tokens (Monopoly) voragh: When there is a number stated the number is inserted between the VERB + {-meH} and the noun which has the plural suffix As always remember that plural suffixes are optional in Klingon, especially with a number (which makes it clear there's more than one).
I think there's something important to clarify here, especially since luis chaparro is a beginner: there are things in Ca'Non which should be followed to the letter, and there are things in Ca'Non which aren't binding. An example of something which needs to be followed to the letter, is the way {Hoch} works. On the other hand though, as our Ca'Non master correctly said, "plural suffixes are optional". So one *could* write too {qeqmeH jav taj} for "six training knives". Also, I don't think that the number should necessarily follow the {-meH}ed verb, under pain of death. Personally, I don't like seeing the number following a {-meH}ed or a {-bogh}'ed verb. So, I'd write {jav qeqmeH taj} instead of {qeqmeH jav taj}. If there's a rule explicitely stated by 'oqranD, then I'll be the first to follow it; but if someone told me that in cases as the one described I should write exactly as 'oqranD wrote, then I'd tell that person to go **** himself. It's supposed to be the warrior's tongue; not the ass-kisser's tongue, not the mindless drone's tongue. On the other hand, if someone gets aroused by blindly following others' choices, pissing his pants in fear at the very idea of developing his own style, then who am I to argue? ~ Dana'an
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