pIj, qaStaHvIS poH lamchoH voSpegh Sep wepmey. 'ej 'ay'mey SarDaq yellow rItlh luSuq. rItlhvetlh teq net nIDchugh vaj wa' Doch vItlhojbej : Qatlhqu'. toH, DaH paw ghelmeH mu'tlhegh : chay' lamvam wIteq ? Do', qay'wI'vam wIQaw'laHbej, mIwvam wIlo'chugh : wa'DIch ngop Say'moHmeH taS yISuq. greennIS taSvetlh ! ghIq, wepDaq taSvam green yIlan. qaStaHvIS poH law', wep you rub it.. ..'ej tagha' taS green DateqmeH bIQ yIlo'. Say' wep. ngugh 'e' Daleghbej ! mop Hurgh
On Saturday 23 Jul 2016 13:17:28 mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'ej 'ay'mey SarDaq yellow ... yellow? green?
You appear to need an ahem primer on colours. pa' yoqqoq DanejtaHbogh Datu' 'e' vIHar: http://klingonska.org/ref/color.html yIvbeH chIS DaSay'moHmeH, yInguv 'ej rItlh qIj yIlo' . ghIq chISbogh yIvbeH chu' yIje'.
Jeremy Silver : You appear to need an ahem primer on colours. pa' yoqqoq DanejtaHbogh Datu' 'e' vIHar: http://klingonska.org/ref/color.html
I knew of the word {SuD}, and of this link as well ; but because I remembered that some of the color shades described there were not canon, I chose to write "yellow" in federation standard english. Only now that I checked again, I saw that the "yellowish tinge" shade is canon indeed. But all this is confusing and outrageous as well. Am I supposed to remember, in every canon source which came out after tkd and kgt, every little detail ? And among all shades of a particular color, am I supposed to remember which is canon and which is not ? Or am I supposed to remember that somewhere in kgt, there is a line which describes the "yellowish tinge", which of course isn't mentioned in the dictionary at the end of the book ? So, one uses federation standard and the job is done.. thank you though, for taking the time to reply. ngup Hurgh On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Jeremy Silver <j.silver@mupwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Saturday 23 Jul 2016 13:17:28 mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'ej 'ay'mey SarDaq yellow ... yellow? green?
You appear to need an ahem primer on colours.
pa' yoqqoq DanejtaHbogh Datu' 'e' vIHar: http://klingonska.org/ref/color.html
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On Saturday 23 Jul 2016 14:47:12 mayqel qunenoS wrote:
But all this is confusing and outrageous as well.
qaboQmeH qID qab vIlo'pu'. qamoghchoHmoHchugh, jItlhIj. pIj bIqeqmo', bIlugh. tlhIngan Hol jatlhlaHghachlIj DaDublaH. bIghojvIS, DaH Hoch DaSovnISbe'. tlhIngan Hol 'ay'mey DaSovbe'bogh DajatlhnISpa'; 'ay'meyvam DaQul wIchup, pagh 'ay'meyvam bop Daghel wIchup.
Jeremy Silver:
qaboQmeH qID qab vIlo'pu'. qamoghchoHmoHchugh, jItlhIj
jIQoSqu'.. mayajchuqba'Ha' ! I'm so sorry ! we obviously misunderstood each other ! jIjatlhDI', but all this is confusing and outrageous as well. when I wrote, "but all this is confusing and outrageous as well" SoHvaD mu'meyvam vIjatlhbe' ! I wasn't referring to you ! choQaH 'e' DanID, 'ej qatlho'qu' ! you tried to help me, and I thank you ! mu'tlhegh but all this is confusing and outrageous as well, vIghItlhta', the sentence "but all this is confusing and outrageous as well" I wrote it, law'bogh SovHom Sar ghajmo' canon because canon possesses many diverse details 'ej Hoch SovHommeyvam SovlaHbe'ba' vay' ! and all these details, someone is obviously unable to know ! toH SoHvaD mIllogh muj vI'agh, jItlhIjnIS jIH'e' ! so, if I gave the wrong impression, then it I who need to apologise ! qavan Jeremy ! On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Jeremy Silver <j.silver@mupwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Saturday 23 Jul 2016 14:47:12 mayqel qunenoS wrote:
But all this is confusing and outrageous as well.
qaboQmeH qID qab vIlo'pu'. qamoghchoHmoHchugh, jItlhIj.
pIj bIqeqmo', bIlugh. tlhIngan Hol jatlhlaHghachlIj DaDublaH.
bIghojvIS, DaH Hoch DaSovnISbe'. tlhIngan Hol 'ay'mey DaSovbe'bogh DajatlhnISpa'; 'ay'meyvam DaQul wIchup, pagh 'ay'meyvam bop Daghel wIchup.
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jIH:
jIQoSqu'.. mayajchuqba'Ha' !
and of course this should be {mayajHa'chuqba'}.. On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:23 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeremy Silver:
qaboQmeH qID qab vIlo'pu'. qamoghchoHmoHchugh, jItlhIj
jIQoSqu'.. mayajchuqba'Ha' ! I'm so sorry ! we obviously misunderstood each other !
jIjatlhDI', but all this is confusing and outrageous as well. when I wrote, "but all this is confusing and outrageous as well"
SoHvaD mu'meyvam vIjatlhbe' ! I wasn't referring to you !
choQaH 'e' DanID, 'ej qatlho'qu' ! you tried to help me, and I thank you !
mu'tlhegh but all this is confusing and outrageous as well, vIghItlhta', the sentence "but all this is confusing and outrageous as well" I wrote it,
law'bogh SovHom Sar ghajmo' canon because canon possesses many diverse details
'ej Hoch SovHommeyvam SovlaHbe'ba' vay' ! and all these details, someone is obviously unable to know !
toH SoHvaD mIllogh muj vI'agh, jItlhIjnIS jIH'e' ! so, if I gave the wrong impression, then it I who need to apologise !
qavan Jeremy !
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Jeremy Silver <j.silver@mupwi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Saturday 23 Jul 2016 14:47:12 mayqel qunenoS wrote:
But all this is confusing and outrageous as well.
qaboQmeH qID qab vIlo'pu'. qamoghchoHmoHchugh, jItlhIj.
pIj bIqeqmo', bIlugh. tlhIngan Hol jatlhlaHghachlIj DaDublaH.
bIghojvIS, DaH Hoch DaSovnISbe'. tlhIngan Hol 'ay'mey DaSovbe'bogh DajatlhnISpa'; 'ay'meyvam DaQul wIchup, pagh 'ay'meyvam bop Daghel wIchup.
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On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:47 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeremy Silver : You appear to need an ahem primer on colours. pa' yoqqoq DanejtaHbogh Datu' 'e' vIHar: http://klingonska.org/ref/color.html
I knew of the word {SuD}, and of this link as well ; but because I remembered that some of the color shades described there were not canon, I chose to write "yellow" in federation standard english. Only now that I checked again, I saw that the "yellowish tinge" shade is canon indeed.
But all this is confusing and outrageous as well. Am I supposed to remember, in every canon source which came out after tkd and kgt, every little detail ? And among all shades of a particular color, am I supposed to remember which is canon and which is not ?
Or am I supposed to remember that somewhere in kgt, there is a line which describes the "yellowish tinge", which of course isn't mentioned in the dictionary at the end of the book ?
So, one uses federation standard and the job is done..
thank you though, for taking the time to reply.
{SuD} comes from TKD and has "yellow" in the definition. Klingon only has 4 color words to remember (if you count black and white as colors). ~naHQun -- ~Michael Roney, Jr. Freelance Translator
Michael Roney, Jr.
{SuD} comes from TKD and has "yellow" in the definition.
tkd, p. 135 : {SuD} green, be green, blue, yellow As you see, it also has blue and green ; so unless the reader is psychic, thus being able to know which of the three words I actually want to express, then this word (on its own) is useless. Perhaps that's the reason why there is a klingon psychic probe in the first place.. poghmey qIj qunnoq On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:47 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeremy Silver : You appear to need an ahem primer on colours. pa' yoqqoq DanejtaHbogh Datu' 'e' vIHar: http://klingonska.org/ref/color.html
I knew of the word {SuD}, and of this link as well ; but because I remembered that some of the color shades described there were not canon, I chose to write "yellow" in federation standard english. Only now that I checked again, I saw that the "yellowish tinge" shade is canon indeed.
But all this is confusing and outrageous as well. Am I supposed to remember, in every canon source which came out after tkd and kgt, every little detail ? And among all shades of a particular color, am I supposed to remember which is canon and which is not ?
Or am I supposed to remember that somewhere in kgt, there is a line which describes the "yellowish tinge", which of course isn't mentioned in the dictionary at the end of the book ?
So, one uses federation standard and the job is done..
thank you though, for taking the time to reply.
{SuD} comes from TKD and has "yellow" in the definition. Klingon only has 4 color words to remember (if you count black and white as colors).
~naHQun
-- ~Michael Roney, Jr. Freelance Translator
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Just as the process of learning is a path to travel for us, so too is the process of discovering previously unknown areas of the language. One of these areas appears to be with colours. In TKD we are given the basic terms, there are two words that describe the colour range from red, through yellow and green, to blue. The boundary appears somewhere in the middle. Granted this is partially inferred as the colours specified in the dictionary definitions are not necessarily in the same order. This very basic sketch was expanded upon in KGT, allowing the more precise description of a colour, if necessary. It could be a cultural artefact that going in to such detail to differentiate colours is not deemed necessary or is deemed overly pedantic. This knowledge on describing colour may be expanded upon further at a later date. Be aware, for our own species, colour perception appears to be very dependent on language itself there is research on how various colours are differentiated by the languages of the world which you might find interesting as ancient Greek is one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction_in_language http://www.laphamsquarterly.org/sea/winelike-sea http://www.radiolab.org/story/211119-colors/
On Sunday 24 Jul 2016 11:21:31 Jeremy Silver wrote:
Be aware, for our own species, colour perception appears to be very dependent on language itself there is research on how various colours are differentiated by the languages of the world which you might find interesting as ancient Greek is one of them.
To add to the bunch of links in the other post, here's a BBC documentary on the subject of colour perception: (If the link breaks and you need to find another version) BBC Horizon 2011 S48E01 "Do you see what I see?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqXyu14kpY If the way the Himba tribe referenced in the program refer to colours was known early enough, it might have influenced how the colour system in Klingon was devised.
It's not useless any more than the word "blue" is useless in English, even though it covers both Russian colours си́ний and голубо́й. Blue also covers the English colours teal, aquamarine, navy and many more. On occasions when you want to express a colour more precisely than the base colour word for a language allows, then you add modifiers or compare the colour to something. Is the English word "honour" useless because it covers batlh, quv and pop? - Qov -----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS Sent: 24 July 2016 02:49 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] How to clean a white shirt Michael Roney, Jr.
{SuD} comes from TKD and has "yellow" in the definition.
tkd, p. 135 : {SuD} green, be green, blue, yellow As you see, it also has blue and green ; so unless the reader is psychic, thus being able to know which of the three words I actually want to express, then this word (on its own) is useless. Perhaps that's the reason why there is a klingon psychic probe in the first place.. poghmey qIj qunnoq On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:47 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeremy Silver : You appear to need an ahem primer on colours. pa' yoqqoq DanejtaHbogh Datu' 'e' vIHar: http://klingonska.org/ref/color.html
I knew of the word {SuD}, and of this link as well ; but because I remembered that some of the color shades described there were not canon, I chose to write "yellow" in federation standard english. Only now that I checked again, I saw that the "yellowish tinge" shade is canon indeed.
But all this is confusing and outrageous as well. Am I supposed to remember, in every canon source which came out after tkd and kgt, every little detail ? And among all shades of a particular color, am I supposed to remember which is canon and which is not ?
Or am I supposed to remember that somewhere in kgt, there is a line which describes the "yellowish tinge", which of course isn't mentioned in the dictionary at the end of the book ?
So, one uses federation standard and the job is done..
thank you though, for taking the time to reply.
{SuD} comes from TKD and has "yellow" in the definition. Klingon only has 4 color words to remember (if you count black and white as colors).
~naHQun
-- ~Michael Roney, Jr. Freelance Translator
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