I was recently considering the difference in meaning between “every” and “all” when Hoch precedes a non-explicitly marked plural and an explicitly marked plural, respectively. I was uncertain how this interacts with irregular plurals, which are grammatically singular. Are they considered explicitly plural because they are a plural form semantically, or does explicitly plural mean that a plural suffix must be used? Consider: raS yISay'moH: clean the table raS tISay'moH / raSmey tISay'moH: clean the tables jengva' yISay'moH: clean the plate ngop yISay'moH: clean the plates but not: *ngop tISay'moH “Clean every plate” would obviously be “Hoch jengva' yISay'moH”, but for “clean all the plates” would it be: 1) Hoch ngop yISay'moH 2) Hoch ngopmey yISay'moH 3) Hoch ngopmey tISay'moH 4) Hoch jengva'mey tISay'moH (Assume you’re not already saying jengva'mey because the plates are scattered all over the place) 5) Something else 6) We don’t know My instinct is (1), but my instinct is often wrong.
This is an excellent question.. To which I have no answer.. However, on the other pseudopodium (from the point of view of an amoeba, which doesn't have hands..), perhaps the question should be placed differently. Can we use {Hoch}, with inherently plural nouns ? The way I understand {Hoch}, its specs require that it is either to be used on its own, (e.g. Hoch vor Dargh wIb), or it is to be used with nouns which aren't inherently plural. Perhaps, trying to use it with inherently plural nouns, is similar to trying to shove a micro-usb cable, up the rear end of a usb-c type phone.. It just doesn't fit, because it wasn't built for this purpose. Unless, of course the {Hoch} is being placed after the inherently plural noun, case in which there wouldn't be a problem, since it would have the meaning of "all of the (noun)". For what is worth though, I agree with you Daniel. My gut instinct, would have me go with option 1. ~ mayqel *I love maltz* qunen'oS
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