As I've noted in the previous emails, the BG role has been vacant since 'arHa' stepped down in 2017. Based on the conversation in the Discord server, it seems that the BG is no longer needed, as the original problem it was intended to solve, which was to prevent beginners posting to the mailing list being flooded with too many (and possibly wrong or contradictory) replies, no longer exists. I think this is mostly due to the world (esp. the younger generation) having moved on from email, and partly because we know a lot more about Klingon grammar and vocabulary than in the early days of the mailing list and so there isn't as much room for contradictory answers. Does anyone object to formally retiring the role? There doesn't seem to be any procedures for electing anyone, and maybe it's just me, but as long as the position exists I hesitate a little bit to answer beginners' questions. (The Klingon solution to my hesitation would of course be to declare myself the Last Beginner's Grammarian, challenge any objectors to a duel to the death, and then answer beginners' questions from then on without hesitation because of the ancient ritual of {jangmeH DIb}.) -- De'vID
Am 07.01.2022 um 11:42 schrieb De'vID:
but as long as the position exists I hesitate a little bit to answer beginners' questions.
I think we can simply say that there is no BG currently, so as long as there is no active BG, anyone can answer. Maybe one day, someone will volunteer to become a BG again. Until then, anyone could answer. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 11:54, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 07.01.2022 um 11:42 schrieb De'vID:
but as long as the position exists I hesitate a little bit to answer beginners' questions.
I think we can simply say that there is no BG currently, so as long as there is no active BG, anyone can answer. Maybe one day, someone will volunteer to become a BG again. Until then, anyone could answer.
When 'arHa' stepped down, someone *did* volunteer to take over (kechpaja), but nobody confirmed the appointment. If someone volunteers to become the BG, I'm sure this will happen again. Without a formal procedure, and if the majority of people on the mailing list just don't care about it, any volunteers for the position are just going to get ignored. http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2017-February/003483.htm... -- De'vID
Am 07.01.2022 um 18:02 schrieb De'vID:
When 'arHa' stepped down, someone *did* volunteer to take over (kechpaja), but nobody confirmed the appointment. If someone volunteers to become the BG, I'm sure this will happen again.
Well, as this mailing list is part of and organized by the KLI, and the BG is appointed by the KLI, I'm sure it's their task to proclaim a new BG. I remember from the past where this was a simple message from the former BG and also someone of the KLI who wrote "xy now is the new BG". I assume the announcement failed in 2017 because that was a time when the KLI was les active or had internal organisation problems. I know there hae been some changes lately, so I asume it will work better next time announcing a BG. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
We’ve had over half a dozen BGs. Originally, Qanqor appointed BGs, negotiating with candidates and consulting with former BGs as the number grew. As Qanqor became less active, the BGs took over, communicating as a group to decide on the new BG. And now? Well, SuStel, ghunchu’wI’, and I are former BGs. SuStel is certainly the most active. ghunchu’wI’ doesn’t write very often. I do, but I feel as if my resources have waned over the years. I likely should have quit when the majority of others dropped away. There may be other former BGs lurking, but not writing. I don’t know if Lawrence is active enough to whip up enough interest of former BGs or even Qanqor himself to do this or if some other approach would be preferable. I think we’ve become a bit rudderless. The infrastructure is still here, so we’re still here, but we are certainly less organized than we once were.
On Jan 7, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 07.01.2022 um 18:02 schrieb De'vID:
When 'arHa' stepped down, someone *did* volunteer to take over (kechpaja), but nobody confirmed the appointment. If someone volunteers to become the BG, I'm sure this will happen again.
Well, as this mailing list is part of and organized by the KLI, and the BG is appointed by the KLI, I'm sure it's their task to proclaim a new BG. I remember from the past where this was a simple message from the former BG and also someone of the KLI who wrote "xy now is the new BG". I assume the announcement failed in 2017 because that was a time when the KLI was les active or had internal organisation problems. I know there hae been some changes lately, so I asume it will work better next time announcing a BG.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
"[W]e are certainly less organized than we once were." And that's saying a lot. lay'tel SIvten On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:56 PM Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
We’ve had over half a dozen BGs. Originally, Qanqor appointed BGs, negotiating with candidates and consulting with former BGs as the number grew. As Qanqor became less active, the BGs took over, communicating as a group to decide on the new BG.
And now? Well, SuStel, ghunchu’wI’, and I are former BGs. SuStel is certainly the most active. ghunchu’wI’ doesn’t write very often. I do, but I feel as if my resources have waned over the years. I likely should have quit when the majority of others dropped away. There may be other former BGs lurking, but not writing.
I don’t know if Lawrence is active enough to whip up enough interest of former BGs or even Qanqor himself to do this or if some other approach would be preferable. I think we’ve become a bit rudderless. The infrastructure is still here, so we’re still here, but we are certainly less organized than we once were.
On Jan 7, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 07.01.2022 um 18:02 schrieb De'vID:
When 'arHa' stepped down, someone *did* volunteer to take over (kechpaja), but nobody confirmed the appointment. If someone volunteers to become the BG, I'm sure this will happen again.
Well, as this mailing list is part of and organized by the KLI, and the BG is appointed by the KLI, I'm sure it's their task to proclaim a new BG. I remember from the past where this was a simple message from the former BG and also someone of the KLI who wrote "xy now is the new BG". I assume the announcement failed in 2017 because that was a time when the KLI was les active or had internal organisation problems. I know there hae been some changes lately, so I asume it will work better next time announcing a BG.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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