Three things I would ask maltz
DaH matlh vIlegh net jalchugh, vaj wej De' vIghojmeH, matlh vIyu': i. Qo'noSDaq, *goat* rurbogh Ha'DIbaH'e' tu'lu''a' ? ii. Qo'noSDaq, *incense*vaD nuq lupong ? iii. *underwear* tuQ'a' matlh ? 'a Do'Ha', naDev ghaHbe' matlh'e', vaj DaH jIQong.. ~ m. qunen'oS good.. good.. let the Ca'Non flow through you
mu'na' bIH mu'vam'e' 'e' vISovbejbe' 'a *bolmaq*, *'aDanjI'* je DIghaj. Le lun. 22 avr. 2019, à 15 h 46, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> a écrit :
DaH matlh vIlegh net jalchugh, vaj wej De' vIghojmeH, matlh vIyu':
i. Qo'noSDaq, *goat* rurbogh Ha'DIbaH'e' tu'lu''a' ?
ii. Qo'noSDaq, *incense*vaD nuq lupong ?
iii. *underwear* tuQ'a' matlh ?
'a Do'Ha', naDev ghaHbe' matlh'e', vaj DaH jIQong..
~ m. qunen'oS
good.. good.. let the Ca'Non flow through you
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*{meQbogh naqHom tIq} was used for incense in GILGAMESH. In the past {noSvagh} “deodorant” has been used for both incense and perfume (KBTP) for lack of an alternative. The spellings *{bolmaq} and *{aDanjI’} both appeared in Keith DeCandido’s Klingon pro-novels. The *{bolmaq} was defined as: "An animal native to the planet Boreth that makes a bleating sound and tends to run around in circles a lot." (KRAD). (Felix, 7/25/2016): Also, according to DeCandido, the {bolmaq} is more similar to a hyena than a sheep. I believe I asked this question in connection with the Minecraft translation. *Adanji* incense was burned during the Mauk-to'Vor death ritual (DS9 "Sons of Mogh"). In VOY "Nothing Human" B'Ellana was burning some unidentified incense in her quarters when Janeway enters. B’ELLANA: It’s a combination of mental relaxant and expeller of demons. It's an ancient Klingon remedy. JANEWAY: Interesting fragrance. I'm surprised it hasn't set off the environmental alarms. --Voragh From: Jackson Bradley mu'na' bIH mu'vam'e' 'e' vISovbejbe' 'a *bolmaq*, *'aDanjI'* je DIghaj. Le lun. 22 avr. 2019, à 15 h 46, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> a écrit : DaH matlh vIlegh net jalchugh, vaj wej De' vIghojmeH, matlh vIyu': i. Qo'noSDaq, *goat* rurbogh Ha'DIbaH'e' tu'lu''a' ? ii. Qo'noSDaq, *incense*vaD nuq lupong ?
(Felix, 7/25/2016): Also, according to DeCandido, the {bolmaq} is more similar to a hyena than a sheep.
I believe I asked this question in connection with the Minecraft translation
Source for this: https://twitter.com/KRADeC/status/219789081108946944 That being said, we now have the canonical word {DI'raq} for "a fluffy, woolly, shaggy Klingon animal [...] similar to a sheep". You might want to ask yourself what properties of the goat it is you are interested in that would make this word unsuitable. Perhaps something like a {pu' DI'raq}, {veD tIqbe' DI'raq}, {HuD DI'raq} or {Hoch Sopqangbogh DI'raq} or would be suitable? Goats are also kind of like small sarks, being horselike animals with horns, so something like {tera' SarghHom} might work (although it might also describe a pony). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep#Comparison_with_goats There is also an animal called a Degebian mountain goat which is apparently known to Klingons; Kor referred to it in a conversation with Worf in an episode of DS9. However, McCoy also mentions it in a conversation with Kirk in a TOS-era novel, so it's probably not uniquely associated with Klingons. https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Degebian_mountain_goat //loghaD ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 22:11 To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Three things I would ask maltz *{meQbogh naqHom tIq} was used for incense in GILGAMESH. In the past {noSvagh} "deodorant" has been used for both incense and perfume (KBTP) for lack of an alternative. The spellings *{bolmaq} and *{aDanjI'} both appeared in Keith DeCandido's Klingon pro-novels. The *{bolmaq} was defined as: "An animal native to the planet Boreth that makes a bleating sound and tends to run around in circles a lot." (KRAD). (Felix, 7/25/2016): Also, according to DeCandido, the {bolmaq} is more similar to a hyena than a sheep. I believe I asked this question in connection with the Minecraft translation. *Adanji* incense was burned during the Mauk-to'Vor death ritual (DS9 "Sons of Mogh"). In VOY "Nothing Human" B'Ellana was burning some unidentified incense in her quarters when Janeway enters. B'ELLANA: It's a combination of mental relaxant and expeller of demons. It's an ancient Klingon remedy. JANEWAY: Interesting fragrance. I'm surprised it hasn't set off the environmental alarms. --Voragh From: Jackson Bradley mu'na' bIH mu'vam'e' 'e' vISovbejbe' 'a *bolmaq*, *'aDanjI'* je DIghaj. Le lun. 22 avr. 2019, à 15 h 46, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> a écrit : DaH matlh vIlegh net jalchugh, vaj wej De' vIghojmeH, matlh vIyu': i. Qo'noSDaq, *goat* rurbogh Ha'DIbaH'e' tu'lu''a' ? ii. Qo'noSDaq, *incense*vaD nuq lupong ?
loghaD:
That being said, we now have the canonical word {DI'raq} for "a fluffy, woolly, shaggy Klingon animal [...] similar to a sheep". You might want to ask yourself what properties of the goat it is you are interested in that would make this word unsuitable.
It's the horns, and of course the main characteristic of the goat, which is its ability to climb mountains. I always viewed the goat as the best animal to represent perseverance. loghaD:
Perhaps something like a {pu' DI'raq}, {veD tIqbe' DI'raq}, {HuD DI'raq} or {Hoch Sopqangbogh DI'raq} or would be suitable?
I like the {pu' DI'raq} and the {HuD DI'raq}. But I fear, that if someone hadn't read this thread, and saw these constructions, his mind wouldn't go to a goat. loghaD;
There is also an animal called a Degebian mountain goat which is apparently known to Klingons
I think we have discussed this animal here in the past too. Unfortunately though, we don't have a Ca'Non spelling for it.. Ca'Non master:
{meQbogh naqHom tIq} was used for incense in GILGAMESH. In the past {noSvagh} “deodorant” has been used for both incense and perfume (KBTP) for lack of an alternative.
{meQbogh naQHom tIq} is nice, though not all incense comes in the form of long sticks. Let alone the fact, that unless context described what exactly was happening, perhaps the reader wouldn't easily understand the intended meaning. {noSvagh} is an interesting idea, which I think in the absence of a better alternative would work in a more direct and/or efficient manner. I had thought of saying something like: {melkor chIrghDaq, pIw 'IH luchenmoHmeH, Hap le' lumeQtaH} in order to create a beautiful odor in the temple of melkor, they burnt special matter But of course, if we had a Ca'Non word for "incense" that would be even better. Ca'Non master:
*Adanji* incense was burned during the Mauk-to'Vor death ritual (DS9 "Sons of Mogh")
Unfortunately, adanji is a kind of incense used for a very specific ritual, so we couldn't use it as a general word for incense.. Let alone that fact, that we don't even have for it a Ca'Non spelling. ~ m. qunen'oS Ca'Non.. Ca'Non.. my precious..
Growing up in the US Midwest, I never associated goats with mountains. The stereotype around here is their willingness to eat anything and everything, plus their readiness to butt heads. tach Suchbogh tlhIngan SuvwI' rur “goat” 'e' vIchup. -- ghunchu'wI' On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:37 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
You might want to ask yourself what properties of the goat it is you are interested in that would make this word unsuitable.
It's the horns, and of course the main characteristic of the goat, which is its ability to climb mountains. I always viewed the goat as the best animal to represent perseverance.
On Apr 22, 2019, at 14:46, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
DaH matlh vIlegh net jalchugh, vaj wej De' vIghojmeH, matlh vIyu':
i. Qo'noSDaq, *goat* rurbogh Ha'DIbaH'e' tu'lu''a' ? ii. Qo'noSDaq, *incense*vaD nuq lupong ? iii. *underwear* tuQ'a' matlh ?
chabal tetlhDaq wej mu'meyvam vItlhobpu'. vaj DaH mu'mey qellaH numwI'pu' numHa'wI'pu' joq.
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