Go here: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Punctuation Scroll to the "klingonists convention", and read the table. (Irrelevant sidenote: I always found the word "scroll" to have a "dirty" sound.. I read scroll and my mind goes to Hut'In vil..) Anyways.. According to the aforementioned table, we have: Curly braces {tlhIngan Hol} Klingon words in English text Angled brackets <<quote>> Quoting spoken words in Klingon text Asterisks *mu'qoq* indicates Klingon spelling of a non-canon word Asterisks *English* English words in Klingon text Single Asterisk *pong indicates a Klingon name that's not canon I want to ask two things: 1. Why do I need to use angled brackets, to quote spoken words in klingon text ? If I want to say "michael said ancient cats are expensive", then I write the quotation after a comma. i.e. {jatlh mayqel, wagh vIghro'mey tIQ}. So, what's with the angled brackets ? 2. What if I have a klingon name, which is a Ca'Non klingon word which actually means something ? e.g., as with the klingon name of Daniel, which is {Hugh} ? Then what do I do ? Suppose I want to write "{nI'ghma'}s ancient cat married {Hugh}'s dog". How do I do it ? {Hugh *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} {*Hugh *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} {*Hugh* *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} Of course, the table of the wiki isn't Ca'Non, but the result of a convention, of the closest equivalent to klingons in real life (which unfortunately it's us..); but I wonder what this convention holds with regards to the questions above. ~ m. qunen'oS I wrote, "..but the result of a convention, of the closest equivalent to klingons in real life (which unfortunately it's us..)" because I don't like klingons..
Feel free to ignore that list. It says “Klingonists agree,” but I don’t remember any kind of referendum. Just use whatever punctuation you think best expresses what you want and will be best understood and accepted by your audience. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: mayqel qunen'oS Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:21 AM To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Punctuation Go here: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Punctuation Scroll to the "klingonists convention", and read the table. (Irrelevant sidenote: I always found the word "scroll" to have a "dirty" sound.. I read scroll and my mind goes to Hut'In vil..) Anyways.. According to the aforementioned table, we have: Curly braces {tlhIngan Hol} Klingon words in English text Angled brackets <<quote>> Quoting spoken words in Klingon text Asterisks *mu'qoq* indicates Klingon spelling of a non-canon word Asterisks *English* English words in Klingon text Single Asterisk *pong indicates a Klingon name that's not canon I want to ask two things: 1. Why do I need to use angled brackets, to quote spoken words in klingon text ? If I want to say "michael said ancient cats are expensive", then I write the quotation after a comma. i.e. {jatlh mayqel, wagh vIghro'mey tIQ}. So, what's with the angled brackets ? 2. What if I have a klingon name, which is a Ca'Non klingon word which actually means something ? e.g., as with the klingon name of Daniel, which is {Hugh} ? Then what do I do ? Suppose I want to write "{nI'ghma'}s ancient cat married {Hugh}'s dog". How do I do it ? {Hugh *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} {*Hugh *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} {*Hugh* *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} Of course, the table of the wiki isn't Ca'Non, but the result of a convention, of the closest equivalent to klingons in real life (which unfortunately it's us..); but I wonder what this convention holds with regards to the questions above. ~ m. qunen'oS I wrote, "..but the result of a convention, of the closest equivalent to klingons in real life (which unfortunately it's us..)" because I don't like klingons.. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Feel free to ignore that list. It says “Klingonists agree,” but I don’t remember any kind of referendum. Just use whatever punctuation you think best expresses what you want and will be best understood and accepted by your audience. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: mayqel qunen'oS Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:21 AM To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Punctuation Go here: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Punctuation Scroll to the "klingonists convention", and read the table. (Irrelevant sidenote: I always found the word "scroll" to have a "dirty" sound.. I read scroll and my mind goes to Hut'In vil..) Anyways.. According to the aforementioned table, we have: Curly braces {tlhIngan Hol} Klingon words in English text Angled brackets <<quote>> Quoting spoken words in Klingon text Asterisks *mu'qoq* indicates Klingon spelling of a non-canon word Asterisks *English* English words in Klingon text Single Asterisk *pong indicates a Klingon name that's not canon I want to ask two things: 1. Why do I need to use angled brackets, to quote spoken words in klingon text ? If I want to say "michael said ancient cats are expensive", then I write the quotation after a comma. i.e. {jatlh mayqel, wagh vIghro'mey tIQ}. So, what's with the angled brackets ? 2. What if I have a klingon name, which is a Ca'Non klingon word which actually means something ? e.g., as with the klingon name of Daniel, which is {Hugh} ? Then what do I do ? Suppose I want to write "{nI'ghma'}s ancient cat married {Hugh}'s dog". How do I do it ? {Hugh *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} {*Hugh *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} {*Hugh* *dog* Sawpu' *nI'ghma' vIghro' tIQ} Of course, the table of the wiki isn't Ca'Non, but the result of a convention, of the closest equivalent to klingons in real life (which unfortunately it's us..); but I wonder what this convention holds with regards to the questions above. ~ m. qunen'oS I wrote, "..but the result of a convention, of the closest equivalent to klingons in real life (which unfortunately it's us..)" because I don't like klingons.. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Tue, 21 May 2019 13:21:01 +0300 "mayqel qunen'oS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Go here: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Punctuation
Scroll to the "klingonists convention", and read the table. (Irrelevant sidenote: I always found the word "scroll" to have a "dirty" sound.. I read scroll and my mind goes to Hut'In vil..)
Anyways..
According to the aforementioned table, we have:
Curly braces {tlhIngan Hol} Klingon words in English text Angled brackets <<quote>> Quoting spoken words in Klingon text Asterisks *mu'qoq* indicates Klingon spelling of a non-canon word Asterisks *English* English words in Klingon text Single Asterisk *pong indicates a Klingon name that's not canon
I want to ask two things:
1. Why do I need to use angled brackets, to quote spoken words in klingon text ? If I want to say "michael said ancient cats are expensive", then I write the quotation after a comma. i.e. {jatlh mayqel, wagh vIghro'mey tIQ}. So, what's with the angled brackets ?
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~ m. qunen'oS
jatlh HeS leghbogh loD - be' HoH. ghIq pa' mej. beyIl ghoS. DaH nej negh. How much is being spoken? Is it the witness that went to the bank, and the soldiers are looking for him, perhaps to question him further? Is the witness saying only one of those sentences, be' HoH? Is he saying two? Three? All four? Does the witness leave the room after saying, be' HoH, or is he saying the killer left the room after killing the woman? While many times, the << >> are not necessary, sometimes it may be helpful. - DloraH
DloraH:
While many times, the << >> are not necessary, sometimes it may be helpful.
hmm.. Interesting.. I hadn't thought of the case you suggested. Indeed, in such an event, angled brackets, could be helpful. However, now, on a practical matter.. I think in the past, people here had written, that their email client/program/service (however the ghe''or it's called), reads as blank whatever is between these angled brackets. On what scale does this actually happen ? The last thing I would want, would be writing a long passage, and a considerable portion of it, being "erased/read as blank". ~ m. qunen'oS <<'Imyagh>> ghughbogh DoS vIpoQ
Am 21.05.2019 um 12:21 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
1. Why do I need to use angled brackets, to quote spoken words in klingon text ? If I want to say "michael said ancient cats are expensive", then I write the quotation after a comma. i.e. {jatlh mayqel, wagh vIghro'mey tIQ}. So, what's with the angled brackets ?
These angled brackets are a simple suggestion. Nobody says you must use them, and also Marc Okrand did not use any quotation marks. TKD uses this example {qaja'pu' HIqaghQo'} - "I told you, "Don't interrupt me" without any marks. For direction quotes, I would say you can use whatever you like, as long as one can read it and understand it: jatlh mayqel: targh vImuSbe'. jatlh mayqel: >targh vImuSbe'.< jatlh mayqel, targh vImuSbe'. jatlh mayqel. <"targh vImuSbe'.> jatlh mayqel. <<"targh vImuSbe'.>> etc. But still, I would suggest avoiding double quotes, as they look like apostrophes: jatlh be' "'oH vIneHbe'". In the translation of the Little Prince, I used these »chevrons«, but they are to typo on regular keyboards.
2. What if I have a klingon name, which is a Ca'Non klingon word which actually means something ?
It depends on context, which will usually make it clear. If I say {muSuch qurgh} I doubt you think I have been visited by vegetables. :-) But anyway, the safer way would be to mark it with an asterisk. You should also remember that these conventions were made so that beginners can better ietify fake words and names. In regular writing, all of that is not realy necessary. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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