Okay, I just came across this dead end, while I was writing today's klingon post. We have said that "as soon as you find yourself saying {... 'e' x-lu'}, start considering using net instead of 'e'.." So far so good.. But what happens if I want to say "..someone wants to give you a cat.." ? On one hand we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' 'e' neHlu'}, and at the same time, we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' net neHlu'} either. So, what's the deal ? The only solution I can think of is {SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'}. Is there another solution, or additional grammar I am missing ? mIv Hurgh qunnoq
On 6/14/2016 11:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
But what happens if I want to say "..someone wants to give you a cat.." ? On one hand we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' 'e' neHlu'}, and at the same time, we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' net neHlu'} either.
So, what's the deal ? The only solution I can think of is {SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'}.
*SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' neHlu' *or***SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'* are both correct, as are various other combinations of *-lu'* and *vay'.* Also valid is using the prefix trick for the latter sentence: *vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'.* Of course, *-lu'* means more than /someone;/ it means /an entity I'm not going to specify./ One might also question whether the two *vay'* in the second sentence are the same *vay'.* You could clarify this with something like *vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'vam.* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:51, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 6/14/2016 11:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: But what happens if I want to say "..someone wants to give you a cat.." ? On one hand we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' 'e' neHlu'}, and at the same time, we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' net neHlu'} either.
So, what's the deal ? The only solution I can think of is {SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'}.
SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' neHlu' or SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay' are both correct, as are various other combinations of -lu' and vay'. Also valid is using the prefix trick for the latter sentence: vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'. Of course, -lu' means more than someone; it means an entity I'm not going to specify.
One might also question whether the two vay' in the second sentence are the same vay'. You could clarify this with something like vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'vam.
Why not just {vIghro' Dunon neH vay'}? Shouldn't a {ghaH} or a third person subject indicated by a prefix in the SAO be interpreted as referring to the {vay'}? -SapIr
thank you SuStel ! On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:06 PM, <kechpaja@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:51, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 6/14/2016 11:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
But what happens if I want to say "..someone wants to give you a cat.." ? On one hand we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' 'e' neHlu'}, and at the same time, we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' net neHlu'} either.
So, what's the deal ? The only solution I can think of is {SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'}.
SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' neHlu' or SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay' are both correct, as are various other combinations of -lu' and vay'. Also valid is using the prefix trick for the latter sentence: vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'.
Of course, -lu' means more than someone; it means an entity I'm not going to specify.
One might also question whether the two vay' in the second sentence are the same vay'. You could clarify this with something like vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'vam.
Why not just {vIghro' Dunon neH vay'}? Shouldn't a {ghaH} or a third person subject indicated by a prefix in the SAO be interpreted as referring to the {vay'}?
-SapIr
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On 6/14/2016 12:06 PM, kechpaja@comcast.net wrote:
On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:51, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 6/14/2016 11:28 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
But what happens if I want to say "..someone wants to give you a cat.." ? On one hand we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' 'e' neHlu'}, and at the same time, we can't write {SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' net neHlu'} either.
So, what's the deal ? The only solution I can think of is {SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'}.
*SoHvaD vIghro' noblu' neHlu' *or***SoHvaD vIghro' nob vay' neH vay'* are both correct, as are various other combinations of *-lu'* and *vay'.* Also valid is using the prefix trick for the latter sentence: *vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'.*
Of course, *-lu'* means more than /someone;/ it means /an entity I'm not going to specify./
One might also question whether the two *vay'* in the second sentence are the same *vay'.* You could clarify this with something like *vIghro' Dunob vay' neH vay'vam.*
Why not just {vIghro' Dunon neH vay'}? Shouldn't a {ghaH} or a third person subject indicated by a prefix in the SAO be interpreted as referring to the {vay'}?
Or even *vIghro' Dunon vay' neH.* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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