If I knew when I'm supposed to use {-mey} on {gher'ID} and when not, I'd be happier. Not as happy as I'd be, if I won a million euros, but I'd be slightly happier than I'm now. I mean, what the ghe''or is happening with this word ? Is it inherently plural ? Can we pluralize it ? Why are some of its' meanings singular and some plural ? ~ bchchcc
On 8/12/2019 1:45 PM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
If I knew when I'm supposed to use {-mey} on {gher'ID} and when not, I'd be happier.
Not as happy as I'd be, if I won a million euros, but I'd be slightly happier than I'm now.
I mean, what the ghe''or is happening with this word ?
Is it inherently plural ? Can we pluralize it ? Why are some of its' meanings singular and some plural ?
My guess is that the word can be applied in the singular to the outcome of a singular process, even if that consists of multiple components, the "results." One process, one *gher'ID.* If you performed multiple processes whose outcomes were not linked into a whole, they would be *gher'IDmey.* Suppose you throw a ball into the air and want to see what happens. Its falling to the ground is the *gher'ID.* If you perform the experiment multiple times, each result is a *gher'ID.* The collection of all of them would be *gher'IDmey. *But if you combine all your separate *gher'ID* into a single conclusion, that is a singular *gher'ID* too, albeit a different one that has all the little *gher'ID* as its component parts. This is just my guess. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
If I knew when I'm supposed to use {-mey} on {gher'ID} and when not, I'd be happier.
Some people had the same question when it was revealed. KLI mailing list, July 23rd, 2018, from qurgh: I asked Marc about gher'ID:
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As for {gher'ID} — All of the English words could be singular or plural, whichever makes the most sense given the context. If, in Klingon, it's important to indicate plurality, use {-mey}; if it's important to indicate singularity, use {wa'} along with {neH} (or something along those lines).
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So I guess that you can just use {gher'ID} unless you want to emphasize multiple things happening as the result of something.
nIqolay beat me to the draw with that quote from qurgh, so I’ll add another way of referring to results - the expressly plural {mIvwa’mey} : (qep'a' 2018): "results” with the sense of “score, tally” is {mIvwa'mey} (De'vID < MO, 2/17/2018): The traditional/old Klingon way of keeping score involves cutting oneself ({pe’’egh}), and this is the term still in use. A “tally” or “(total) score” follows the same tradition. They say {mIvwa’mey}, literally {scars} (even though, in traditional scorekeeping, the cuts turn to scabs and eventually go away). This term is also used for “census” or “headcount”. ... Maltz wasn’t sure how “statistics” would be distinguished from “tally” in this context, but maybe {mIvwa’mey poj} “tally analysis” or {mI’ poj} “number analysis” would work. -- Voragh From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of nIqolay Q On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> wrote: If I knew when I'm supposed to use {-mey} on {gher'ID} and when not, I'd be happier. Some people had the same question when it was revealed. KLI mailing list, July 23rd, 2018, from qurgh: I asked Marc about gher'ID: ----quote As for {gher'ID} — All of the English words could be singular or plural, whichever makes the most sense given the context. If, in Klingon, it's important to indicate plurality, use {-mey}; if it's important to indicate singularity, use {wa'} along with {neH} (or something along those lines). ------/quote So I guess that you can just use {gher'ID} unless you want to emphasize multiple things happening as the result of something.
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