Re: [tlhIngan Hol] More puns
Several more I figured out (and some I only sort of figured out): cheyIt (thorn): T-aitch backwards. Like the letter thorn. chIb (be advantaged over): "Bxtch" backwards, as in "I've made it my bxtch". Delnga (gradient): "Angled" backwards. jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic? law'wan (inertia): "Law one", i.e. Newton's First Law. pa'nItlh (aisle): "Clean up" backwards. As in the PA announcement: "Josh, clean up aisle 24!" poH (session, shift): "Hop"-ing from one employee's shift to another. qIj'am (slate): Magic slate. ra''ab (market): Backwards, *ba' 'ar*, how much sit. Or "How much is it?", a question for the market to grapple with. roqlIpe' (civilian): "Apple core" backwards, but how do apple cores relate to civilian life? Selrach (ladder): Obviously "Charles" backwards, but googling didn't find the connection. Does Marc Okrand know a Charles Ladder (or Charles Latter)? teb (compensate, monetarily): "Bet" backwards. tetlhnagh (exam, test): "Gauntlet" backwards. The gauntlet was originally an ordeal. vo'nIng (image): No apparent connection to German "Wohnung", residence or apartment. My best guess is that *ngIn 'ov* is to compete roughly, and "image" is part of "scrimmage". Do all of you think this is it? yalqom (mop): Backwards, this is *moq lay*, or "beat-L." The Beatles had mops (the hairstyle, that is). 'abched (vitamin): Vitamins A, B, C, D, and E. 'erQen (phrase): "Phrase" os a homophone of "frays". *Qen* means to be naked, like a frayed object. "Er" is the German word for "he", which suggests that it's the form of a verb you'd use with "he", i.e. the third person singular present. Like adding -s onto "fray". Does this sound convincing?
Not to dispute your analysis necessarily... On 7/21/25 9:26 PM, James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
pa'nItlh (aisle): "Clean up" backwards. As in the PA announcement: "Josh, clean up aisle 24!"
I thought of this more as "room-finger"; an aisle being sort of a long extended room/empty space (but that would be a hallway?)
poH (session, shift): "Hop"-ing from one employee's shift to another.
I feel this is a coincidence, since the other meaning of "poH" (time) is perfectly sensible here, and this is just informing us that the meaning extends to this.
teb (compensate, monetarily): "Bet" backwards.
Same with this. The ordinary meaning "fill" makes sense as a metaphoric use for compensation.
'abched (vitamin): Vitamins A, B, C, D, and E.
Yeah, that was so obvious even I noticed it.
'erQen (phrase): "Phrase" os a homophone of "frays". *Qen* means to be naked, like a frayed object. "Er" is the German word for "he", which suggests that it's the form of a verb you'd use with "he", i.e. the third person singular present. Like adding -s onto "fray". Does this sound convincing?
Not particularly, but it doesn't have to be. There doesn't *have* to be a pun basis for every word, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to find one. Even if what you find is totally not what Okrand had in mind and is purely a figment of your imagination, it can still be a useful mnemonic, if it works for you. ~mark
ngel'aH = peasant, partly xifan hol from "fellah" (Arabic word for a peasant) — André On Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 03:27 James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Several more I figured out (and some I only sort of figured out):
cheyIt (thorn): T-aitch backwards. Like the letter thorn.
chIb (be advantaged over): "Bxtch" backwards, as in "I've made it my bxtch".
Delnga (gradient): "Angled" backwards.
jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?
law'wan (inertia): "Law one", i.e. Newton's First Law.
pa'nItlh (aisle): "Clean up" backwards. As in the PA announcement: "Josh, clean up aisle 24!"
poH (session, shift): "Hop"-ing from one employee's shift to another.
qIj'am (slate): Magic slate.
ra''ab (market): Backwards, *ba' 'ar*, how much sit. Or "How much is it?", a question for the market to grapple with.
roqlIpe' (civilian): "Apple core" backwards, but how do apple cores relate to civilian life?
Selrach (ladder): Obviously "Charles" backwards, but googling didn't find the connection. Does Marc Okrand know a Charles Ladder (or Charles Latter)?
teb (compensate, monetarily): "Bet" backwards.
tetlhnagh (exam, test): "Gauntlet" backwards. The gauntlet was originally an ordeal.
vo'nIng (image): No apparent connection to German "Wohnung", residence or apartment. My best guess is that *ngIn 'ov* is to compete roughly, and "image" is part of "scrimmage". Do all of you think this is it?
yalqom (mop): Backwards, this is *moq lay*, or "beat-L." The Beatles had mops (the hairstyle, that is).
'abched (vitamin): Vitamins A, B, C, D, and E.
'erQen (phrase): "Phrase" os a homophone of "frays". *Qen* means to be naked, like a frayed object. "Er" is the German word for "he", which suggests that it's the form of a verb you'd use with "he", i.e. the third person singular present. Like adding -s onto "fray". Does this sound convincing?
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qech'on -> Lithium (and/or batteries made thereof) have a high chance to "catch on" fire. -E.T. On 2025-07-22 03:42, André Müller via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
ngel'aH = peasant, partly xifan hol from "fellah" (Arabic word for a peasant)
— André
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025, 03:27 James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Several more I figured out (and some I only sort of figured out):
cheyIt (thorn): T-aitch backwards. Like the letter thorn.
chIb (be advantaged over): "Bxtch" backwards, as in "I've made it my bxtch".
Delnga (gradient): "Angled" backwards.
jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?
law'wan (inertia): "Law one", i.e. Newton's First Law.
pa'nItlh (aisle): "Clean up" backwards. As in the PA announcement: "Josh, clean up aisle 24!"
poH (session, shift): "Hop"-ing from one employee's shift to another.
qIj'am (slate): Magic slate.
ra''ab (market): Backwards, *ba' 'ar*, how much sit. Or "How much is it?", a question for the market to grapple with.
roqlIpe' (civilian): "Apple core" backwards, but how do apple cores relate to civilian life?
Selrach (ladder): Obviously "Charles" backwards, but googling didn't find the connection. Does Marc Okrand know a Charles Ladder (or Charles Latter)?
teb (compensate, monetarily): "Bet" backwards.
tetlhnagh (exam, test): "Gauntlet" backwards. The gauntlet was originally an ordeal.
vo'nIng (image): No apparent connection to German "Wohnung", residence or apartment. My best guess is that *ngIn 'ov* is to compete roughly, and "image" is part of "scrimmage". Do all of you think this is it?
yalqom (mop): Backwards, this is *moq lay*, or "beat-L." The Beatles had mops (the hairstyle, that is).
'abched (vitamin): Vitamins A, B, C, D, and E.
'erQen (phrase): "Phrase" os a homophone of "frays". *Qen* means to be naked, like a frayed object. "Er" is the German word for "he", which suggests that it's the form of a verb you'd use with "he", i.e. the third person singular present. Like adding -s onto "fray". Does this sound convincing? _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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Was this mentioned/noticed? nguHmeyvItlh / anagram --> ngutlhmey vIH, "moving letters", kinda. ~mark
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 8:04 PM Mark E. Shoulson via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Was this mentioned/noticed?
nguHmeyvItlh / anagram --> ngutlhmey vIH, "moving letters", kinda.
Surely it's {vIH ngutlhmey} "the letters move", "the letters are in motion", as a grammatical sentence. -- De'vID
I googled Charles Ladder and found two interesting results: "The Ladder", song and album by Charles Johnson and "Jacob's Ladder", a song by Tina Charles. Does anyone know Marc Okrand's taste in music? -E.T. On 2025-07-22 03:26, James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
Several more I figured out (and some I only sort of figured out):
cheyIt (thorn): T-aitch backwards. Like the letter thorn.
chIb (be advantaged over): "Bxtch" backwards, as in "I've made it my bxtch".
Delnga (gradient): "Angled" backwards.
jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?
law'wan (inertia): "Law one", i.e. Newton's First Law.
pa'nItlh (aisle): "Clean up" backwards. As in the PA announcement: "Josh, clean up aisle 24!"
poH (session, shift): "Hop"-ing from one employee's shift to another.
qIj'am (slate): Magic slate.
ra''ab (market): Backwards, *ba' 'ar*, how much sit. Or "How much is it?", a question for the market to grapple with.
roqlIpe' (civilian): "Apple core" backwards, but how do apple cores relate to civilian life?
Selrach (ladder): Obviously "Charles" backwards, but googling didn't find the connection. Does Marc Okrand know a Charles Ladder (or Charles Latter)?
teb (compensate, monetarily): "Bet" backwards.
tetlhnagh (exam, test): "Gauntlet" backwards. The gauntlet was originally an ordeal.
vo'nIng (image): No apparent connection to German "Wohnung", residence or apartment. My best guess is that *ngIn 'ov* is to compete roughly, and "image" is part of "scrimmage". Do all of you think this is it?
yalqom (mop): Backwards, this is *moq lay*, or "beat-L." The Beatles had mops (the hairstyle, that is).
'abched (vitamin): Vitamins A, B, C, D, and E.
'erQen (phrase): "Phrase" os a homophone of "frays". *Qen* means to be naked, like a frayed object. "Er" is the German word for "he", which suggests that it's the form of a verb you'd use with "he", i.e. the third person singular present. Like adding -s onto "fray". Does this sound convincing? _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 3:27 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?
{tob} "test" and {'or} "pilot" = "test pilot"? There is a classic movie (starring Clark Gable) named "Test Pilot", but I can find no connection to anyone named "Jill".
roqlIpe' (civilian): "Apple core" backwards, but how do apple cores relate to civilian life?
Probably a reference to "Apple Corps", the company established by The Beatles. One of their business ventures was "Apple Tailoring Civil and Theatrical" which made clothes for both theatrical productions and "civilians".
Selrach (ladder): Obviously "Charles" backwards, but googling didn't find the connection. Does Marc Okrand know a Charles Ladder (or Charles Latter)?
Maybe Charles Lederer, the film director? (Okrand does like his movie references. But there are so many "Charles".) -- De'vID
On 8/16/2025 12:41 PM, De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 3:27 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?
{tob} "test" and {'or} "pilot" = "test pilot"? There is a classic movie (starring Clark Gable) named "Test Pilot", but I can find no connection to anyone named "Jill".
I'd be more inclined to think of the film Tobor the Great, though I can make no connection with the {jIl} part. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 8:16 PM SuStel via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
On 8/16/2025 12:41 PM, De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 3:27 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?
{tob} "test" and {'or} "pilot" = "test pilot"? There is a classic movie (starring Clark Gable) named "Test Pilot", but I can find no connection to anyone named "Jill".
I'd be more inclined to think of the film Tobor the Great, though I can make no connection with the {jIl} part.
Maybe "Jill Tobor" is just someone's name that Okrand knows. Maybe this is a reference to the same {jIl} as "neighbour", and the origin of {jIltob'or} is an in-joke between them. -- De'vID
On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 09:41:47 AM PDT, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 3:27 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:>>jIltob'or (classic): This is "your robot" backwards, but does anyone get how this ties in with the concept of being a classic?>>{tob} "test" and {'or} "pilot" = "test pilot"? There is a classic movie (starring Clark Gable) named "Test Pilot", but I can find no connection >to anyone named "Jill". Hmmmmm . . .
roqlIpe' (civilian): "Apple core" backwards, but how do apple cores relate to civilian life? Probably a reference to "Apple Corps", the company established by The Beatles. One of their business ventures was "Apple Tailoring >Civil and Theatrical" which made clothes for both theatrical productions and "civilians". Apple Corps, as in Apple Records? Well, it looks as if you've found the answer!
Selrach (ladder): Obviously "Charles" backwards, but googling didn't find the connection. Does Marc Okrand know a Charles Ladder >>(or Charles Latter)?
Maybe Charles Lederer, the film director? (Okrand does like his movie references. But there are so many "Charles".)
I've never even heard of Charles Lederer. I associate the surname Lederer with Richard Lederer, the guy who writes all those books about playing with the English language. But it is quite likely -- "Lederer" is close enough to "ladder" that it could work.
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