use of {-'e'} in order to mark the topic of a discussion
I'm talking about cats in general.. And after I've talked for quite some time, I want to shift the topic of the discussion to the ancient cats in particular. Would the following be correct/acceptable ? {yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey, yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey, yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey, yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey. vIghro'mey tIQ'e'.. (as for the ancient cats..) ..and the yadda yadda continues, but now for the ancient cats..} Would this use of {-'e'} in order to describe a change of topic/the next topic, be correct ? Or would the {vIghro'mey tIQ'e'} be marked/overmarked, or whatever the jay' you call it ? ~ mayqel qunen'oS za dashu snaku zigur, durbgu nazgshu, durbgu dashshu
And another equally good question is the following.. If a noun has the {-'e'}, when is it to be translated as "as for the (go figure)", and when is it to be translated as "GO FIGURE" ? Of course, in the "yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey.. § vIghro'mey tIQ'e'.. § yadda yadda yadda", I think that any possible translation works, but anyways, it would be good to know what's actually happening. Or we can just use the force, as we usually do.. ~ changan qIj za dashu snaku zigur, durbgu nazgshu, durbgu dashshu
On 9/9/2019 9:30 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
If a noun has the {-'e'}, when is it to be translated as "as for the (go figure)", and when is it to be translated as "GO FIGURE" ?
Okrand is inconsistent with these sorts of things; he doesn't always translate topic the same way, and he doesn't always translate focus the same way. In general these are examples of topic and focus, respectively. But it's not like the standard English method of giving focus is to put the words in all-caps. Topic and focus are somewhat interchangeable at times. *-'e'* is always a topic when it's on the final noun in a "to be" sentence and when it's on a noun that is not a subject or object of the verb. It's usually focus or emphasis when it's on a subject or object. Basically, topic is a word that describes the overall thing you're talking about. Focus or emphasis draws your attention to a specific word. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 9/7/2019 7:17 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
I'm talking about cats in general..
And after I've talked for quite some time, I want to shift the topic of the discussion to the ancient cats in particular.
Would the following be correct/acceptable ?
{yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey, yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey, yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey, yadda yadda yadda vIghro'mey.
vIghro'mey tIQ'e'.. (as for the ancient cats..)
..and the yadda yadda continues, but now for the ancient cats..}
Would this use of {-'e'} in order to describe a change of topic/the next topic, be correct ?
Or would the {vIghro'mey tIQ'e'} be marked/overmarked, or whatever the jay' you call it ?
This is fine. When Okrand was talking about *-'e'* at the front being marked, he meant when you are using it to move an object noun in front of an adverbial, like so: *HaqwI''e' DaH yISam*/Find the SURGEON now!/ It turns out that using topic nouns just as a sentence topic without being a subject or object is not marked. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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