Because there are laws, people should choose their words carefully
fse: Some people don't seem to understand one important fact. In western civilized countries there are laws, laws which protect someone from people wrongfully accusing him/her of things he/she's not. There are laws in place which protect an individual's dignity and reputation. And while there is no law which punishes rudeness, there *are* laws which punish severely someone who writes in public that a person is.. or that the person in question writes sentences which are.. And when the victim of such behavior sues, then the one sued usually ends up paying for a very long time. This must be kept in mind by people thinking that they have the right to harass and publicly accuse others. tlh: wa' ngoD potlhqu' luyajbe'law' 'op nuv. tIng 'ev SepmeyDaq chutmey tu'lu'; nuv chun pumbe'lu'meH 'ej nuvvam QanmeH qum, chutmeyvam tu'lu'. Dochbejghach bIj chut pagh; 'a tlhopDaq nuv pumchugh vay', 'ej nuvvamvaD jatlhchugh: ... SoH, pagh ... bIH mu'tlheghlIj'e', vaj pummeH mu'meyvam toblaHbe'chugh pumwI', vaj pumwI'vam bIjqu' qum. 'ej pumwI'DajvaD bo'DIj jaHmoHDI' nuv'e' pumpu'bogh pumwI', tagha' qaStaHvIS poH nI'qu', DIlnIS pumwI'. tlhopDaq latlhpu' 'IrghlaHtaH 'op; 'e' Har 'opvam. DIbvam lughaj 'e' luHar. 'a chaHvaD DIbvam nob pagh. vItvam 'ut luqawnIStaH. ~ Qa'yIn
On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:49 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
wa' ngoD potlhqu' luyajbe'law' 'op nuv...
...tlhopDaq latlhpu' 'IrghlaHtaH 'op; 'e' Har 'opvam. DIbvam lughaj 'e' luHar. 'a chaHvaD DIbvam nob pagh. vItvam 'ut luqawnIStaH.
bIDogh; 'un Darur. -- ghunchu'wI'
ghunchu'wI':
bIDogh; 'un Darur.
fse: ghunchu'wI', unfortunately you still haven't understood the gravity of the situation, and you still obviously fail to realize what a person is allowed to say about another person and what not. Perhaps I should take the time to explain to you what is punishable by law to say about someone. Perhaps I should.. But how could I expect you to ever understand ? You see, I know what the limits are, because I'm an orthopaedic surgeon, having treated thousands of patients so far, having worked in the emergency departments without sleep or rest for 30 hours straight, having come in contact with hundreds of people and their relatives in distress, and through my interaction with them I learned how to talk, even while others where crossing the line. I know what the limits are, with regards to what one can or cannot say, because I'm a specialist, having often to give my medical opinion about other doctors' diagnoses and treatments, and I have learned how to express my opinion respectfully, and within the boundaries of the law. I've learned to talk in a way that doesn't expose me to legal trouble, because I know that in the real world, there are consequences. I won't go into detail as to what exactly was said in that facebook thread, only for one reason. Because one of the people involved is not active on this list. And unlike the moderator who disabled comments on that thread as soon as I started defending myself, when I talk about a person I give him the chance to reply. I don't gag him, the way the moderator on that thread did. But trust me, if what you (plural) wrote in that thread, was written in Greece by Greeks, I *would* have sued, and there *would* be consequences. Now.. lets lay aside for a while, the real-world legal consequences of a person's actions, and lets do some community talk. It irritates me when someone who has almost never taught me anything, refers to me as if he/she was ever my teacher. So lets set the record straight. There's only one person to whom I owe more that 90% of everything I know; and that person is SuStel. SuStel is the one who has patiently taught me, answering literally thousands of questions over a time span of five years. Whatever skill I have in klingon, I owe it to SuStel. So 90% of whatever skill I have is the result of SuStel's guidance. The rest 10% comes from the following people: (the names are written in random order) De'vID lieven voragh charghwI' nIqolay Q loghaD It is only to SuStel and the people above, where I owe everything I know. To the rest I owe nothing. So, the acceptance (or lack thereof) of anyone else, to me means nothing. tlh: ghunchu'wI'; Saghchu' qaSpu'bogh wanI'; Do'Ha' 'e' Datlhojbe'. 'op mu' jatlh nuv; nuvvamvaD 'e' chaw' chut, 'a 'op mu' jatlh nuv; nuvvamvaD 'e' bot chut. 'a mu'mey mub Dangu'laHbe', 'ej mobbe'bogh mu'mey Dangu'laHbe' je. chaq SoHvaD mu'meyvam vIDelnIS, 'ach chay' bIyajlaH ? Somraw' Hom je Qel jIHmo', SaD law' SID vInuDpu'mo' 'ej vIvorpu'mo', qaStaHvIS wejmaH rep jIQongpu'be' 'a jIvumpu'mo', ('ej jIDoy'qu'taHvIS SIDpu' vInuDnISpu'mo'), nuvpu' SotvaD tuqnIghpu'chajvaD je jIjatlhnISpu'mo', ja'chuqmeH Ho'DoS mub vIghojmoHpu'. Qel po' jIHmo', 'ej latlh Qelpu' tu'meH 'ej vormeH wIvmey vIchovnISmo', ('ej Qu'vam vIturtaHvIS, latlhpu' vIvuvnIStaHmo'), ja'chuqmeH Ho'DoS mub vIghojmoHpu'. meqmeyvammo', chut vIbIvbe'meH jIqeqpu'. tera'vamDaq gher'IDmey tu'lu'mo'. wa' meqmo' neH qabpaq wani'mey vIDelbe'; wa' meqmo': pa' vangpu' 'op, 'ach naDev jeSbe' wa'. 'ej vay'vaD jIjatlhtaHvIS, Hub'egh vay'vam, ghaHvaD 'e' vIchaw'. 'ej meqvvammo' mapImchu'. qaStaHvIS qabpaq wani'mey. jIHub'eghchoHtaHvIS, jIjatlh jIHvaD net bot. 'ach HIvoq; 'elaDya'Daq jiHvaD qabpaq mu'mey jatlhpu'chugh 'elaDya'nganpu', vaj nuvpu'vamvaD bo'DIj vIjaHmoHbej. 'ej qaS*bej* gher'IDmey. 'ach DaH tera'vam DI'ruj gher'IDmey bopbe'choHjaj mu'meymaj. tlhIngan Hol nugh lubopchoHjaj. not jIHvaD vay' mughojmoHta' nuv, 'ach ghojmoHwI' Deq DaDa. muberghqu'moH wanI'vam, vaj DaH vIt vIjatlhchu'. jIHvaD, HutmaH vatlhvI' tlhIngan SovwIj nobta' SuStel, qaStaHvIS vagh DIS vorgh mughojmoHtaHvIS. jIHvaD wa' SaDlogh jangpu', 'ej ghIq jangqa', 'ej ghiq jangqa', 'ej ghIq jangqa'.. SuStelmo' qaSpu' tlhIngan laHwIj HochHom. 'ej wa' maH vatlhvI' tlhIngan SovwIj'e'.. jIHvaD Sovvam lunobta' nuvpu' veb: De'vID lieven voragh charghwI' nIqolay Q loghaD vaj, SuStelvaD nuvpu'vamvaD je neH tlho' vISIQnIS. mulaj latlhpu' 'e' vISaHbe'chu'. ~ Qa'yIn
qatlh naDev 'oHtaH chatlhvam'e'. DaSuvtaH, puq Darur. bo'DIj DajaH 'e' DaneHchugh 'ej DaturlaHchugh vaj yItur. puq bepmeylIj, puq mIytaHghachlIj vIlaD vIneHbe'. 'op wa''a' Hol ghoSovqa'moH, pagh Hol bopbogh Doch ghoSovqa'moH. QIp jabbI'IDmeyvamlaw'. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 7:17 AM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
ghunchu'wI':
bIDogh; 'un Darur.
fse:
ghunchu'wI',
unfortunately you still haven't understood the gravity of the situation, and you still obviously fail to realize what a person is allowed to say about another person and what not. Perhaps I should take the time to explain to you what is punishable by law to say about someone. Perhaps I should..
But how could I expect you to ever understand ?
You see, I know what the limits are, because I'm an orthopaedic surgeon, having treated thousands of patients so far, having worked in the emergency departments without sleep or rest for 30 hours straight, having come in contact with hundreds of people and their relatives in distress, and through my interaction with them I learned how to talk, even while others where crossing the line.
I know what the limits are, with regards to what one can or cannot say, because I'm a specialist, having often to give my medical opinion about other doctors' diagnoses and treatments, and I have learned how to express my opinion respectfully, and within the boundaries of the law.
I've learned to talk in a way that doesn't expose me to legal trouble, because I know that in the real world, there are consequences.
I won't go into detail as to what exactly was said in that facebook thread, only for one reason. Because one of the people involved is not active on this list.
And unlike the moderator who disabled comments on that thread as soon as I started defending myself, when I talk about a person I give him the chance to reply. I don't gag him, the way the moderator on that thread did.
But trust me, if what you (plural) wrote in that thread, was written in Greece by Greeks, I *would* have sued, and there *would* be consequences.
Now.. lets lay aside for a while, the real-world legal consequences of a person's actions, and lets do some community talk.
It irritates me when someone who has almost never taught me anything, refers to me as if he/she was ever my teacher. So lets set the record straight.
There's only one person to whom I owe more that 90% of everything I know; and that person is SuStel. SuStel is the one who has patiently taught me, answering literally thousands of questions over a time span of five years. Whatever skill I have in klingon, I owe it to SuStel.
So 90% of whatever skill I have is the result of SuStel's guidance.
The rest 10% comes from the following people: (the names are written in random order)
De'vID lieven voragh charghwI' nIqolay Q loghaD
It is only to SuStel and the people above, where I owe everything I know. To the rest I owe nothing. So, the acceptance (or lack thereof) of anyone else, to me means nothing.
tlh:
ghunchu'wI'; Saghchu' qaSpu'bogh wanI'; Do'Ha' 'e' Datlhojbe'. 'op mu' jatlh nuv; nuvvamvaD 'e' chaw' chut, 'a 'op mu' jatlh nuv; nuvvamvaD 'e' bot chut. 'a mu'mey mub Dangu'laHbe', 'ej mobbe'bogh mu'mey Dangu'laHbe' je. chaq SoHvaD mu'meyvam vIDelnIS, 'ach chay' bIyajlaH ?
Somraw' Hom je Qel jIHmo', SaD law' SID vInuDpu'mo' 'ej vIvorpu'mo', qaStaHvIS wejmaH rep jIQongpu'be' 'a jIvumpu'mo', ('ej jIDoy'qu'taHvIS SIDpu' vInuDnISpu'mo'), nuvpu' SotvaD tuqnIghpu'chajvaD je jIjatlhnISpu'mo', ja'chuqmeH Ho'DoS mub vIghojmoHpu'.
Qel po' jIHmo', 'ej latlh Qelpu' tu'meH 'ej vormeH wIvmey vIchovnISmo', ('ej Qu'vam vIturtaHvIS, latlhpu' vIvuvnIStaHmo'), ja'chuqmeH Ho'DoS mub vIghojmoHpu'.
meqmeyvammo', chut vIbIvbe'meH jIqeqpu'. tera'vamDaq gher'IDmey tu'lu'mo'.
wa' meqmo' neH qabpaq wani'mey vIDelbe'; wa' meqmo': pa' vangpu' 'op, 'ach naDev jeSbe' wa'. 'ej vay'vaD jIjatlhtaHvIS, Hub'egh vay'vam, ghaHvaD 'e' vIchaw'. 'ej meqvvammo' mapImchu'. qaStaHvIS qabpaq wani'mey. jIHub'eghchoHtaHvIS, jIjatlh jIHvaD net bot.
'ach HIvoq; 'elaDya'Daq jiHvaD qabpaq mu'mey jatlhpu'chugh 'elaDya'nganpu', vaj nuvpu'vamvaD bo'DIj vIjaHmoHbej. 'ej qaS*bej* gher'IDmey.
'ach DaH tera'vam DI'ruj gher'IDmey bopbe'choHjaj mu'meymaj. tlhIngan Hol nugh lubopchoHjaj.
not jIHvaD vay' mughojmoHta' nuv, 'ach ghojmoHwI' Deq DaDa. muberghqu'moH wanI'vam, vaj DaH vIt vIjatlhchu'.
jIHvaD, HutmaH vatlhvI' tlhIngan SovwIj nobta' SuStel, qaStaHvIS vagh DIS vorgh mughojmoHtaHvIS. jIHvaD wa' SaDlogh jangpu', 'ej ghIq jangqa', 'ej ghiq jangqa', 'ej ghIq jangqa'.. SuStelmo' qaSpu' tlhIngan laHwIj HochHom.
'ej wa' maH vatlhvI' tlhIngan SovwIj'e'.. jIHvaD Sovvam lunobta' nuvpu' veb:
De'vID lieven voragh charghwI' nIqolay Q loghaD
vaj, SuStelvaD nuvpu'vamvaD je neH tlho' vISIQnIS.
mulaj latlhpu' 'e' vISaHbe'chu'.
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