Hi everyone, What with it being the new year, I am rededicating myself to studying Klingon, and I thought it might be a good idea to ask for advice from the experts. Last semester I was mostly just memorizing vocab and writing sentences (until complex analysis got hard and Klingon fell by the wayside). Anyway, my plan is to go back to vocab and sentences, keep listening to the audio books (the Klingon Way and the one for tourists), and maybe read the Klingon Christmas Carol and Hamlet, which I just got for Christmas. Is there any other good way to study that I am missing? In particular, is there anywhere I can search for answers to grammar questions that may have been previously discussed on this email list or some other list? I don't really like asking questions here because I feel like you've probably answered them a million times already. Thanks, Juliana
On 6 January 2017 at 03:52, Juliana Bukoski <jfbukoski@gmail.com> wrote:
What with it being the new year, I am rededicating myself to studying Klingon, and I thought it might be a good idea to ask for advice from the experts. Last semester I was mostly just memorizing vocab and writing sentences (until complex analysis got hard and Klingon fell by the wayside).
Do'Ha', we don't have the Klingon vocabulary to talk about advanced math. But a good way to learn (YMMV) is to write about a topic that interests you, or which you're studying, in Klingon. Many years ago, I used to keep a journal in Klingon while I was studying physics. We had a lot less physics vocabulary than we do now, although it was surprisingly not that difficult to write about relativity. (We have terminology for black holes, photons, gravity, and escape velocity, and one can make do with the terminology of warp fields when writing about the warping of spacetime.)
Anyway, my plan is to go back to vocab and sentences, keep listening to the audio books (the Klingon Way and the one for tourists), and maybe read the Klingon Christmas Carol and Hamlet, which I just got for Christmas. Is there any other good way to study that I am missing?
Yes: conversation. Many people who are trying to learn a language make the mistake of studying by "input only" (reading and listening), when true skill in a language is better measured by "output" (i.e., your ability to compose, either in writing or in speech, sentences that other speakers understand).
In particular, is there anywhere I can search for answers to grammar questions that may have been previously discussed on this email list or some other list? I don't really like asking questions here because I feel like you've probably answered them a million times already.
We don't mind answering the same questions. If anything, beginners on this mailing list may be scared away by the fact that whenever someone asks a question, five or six people will provide answers, some in too much detail. Ask away. -- De'vID
Am 06.01.2017 um 08:46 schrieb De'vID:
Yes: conversation. Many people who are trying to learn a language make the mistake of studying by "input only" (reading and listening), when true skill in a language is better measured by "output" (i.e., your ability to compose, either in writing or in speech, sentences that other speakers understand).
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe not everywhere *haha* but for instance, when you are alone or driving in the car, try to describe what you are doing: "I now open the door" - "I am feeding the cat" - "I must pay the bill I just received" - "This piece of bread is too big too eat" and so on. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 06.01.2017 um 08:46 schrieb De'vID:
Yes: conversation. Many people who are trying to learn a language make the mistake of studying by "input only" (reading and listening), when true skill in a language is better measured by "output" (i.e., your ability to compose, either in writing or in speech, sentences that other speakers understand).
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe not everywhere *haha* but for instance, when you are alone or driving in the car, try to describe what you are doing: "I now open the door" - "I am feeding the cat" - "I must pay the bill I just received" - "This piece of bread is too big too eat" and so on.
I talk to my cats in Klingon all the time. They don't seem to care much. I've also been doing these youtube lessons in the car on the way to and from work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmWF1jVYUug There's some issues with how the guy pronounces {ng} when there's a prefix (I've told him that he tends to split the sound into n-g), and it will probably cover stuff you already know, but as practice for speaking and translating on the fly it's pretty good. qurgh
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe not everywhere *haha*
During the past couple decades, one could put a bluetooth thingy in their ear and others will just think one is talking on the phone.
but for instance, when you are alone or driving in the car, try to describe what you are doing: "I now open the door" - "I am feeding the cat" - "I must pay the bill I just received" - "This piece of bread is too big too eat" and so on.
qaStaHvIS SeD ghItlh 'e' tuchbogh chut ghaj HochHom yoS, 'ach qaStaHvIS SeD vIghro' je' 'e' tuchbogh chut vISovbe' 'e' vIchID. - DloraH
Am 06.01.2017 um 20:15 schrieb DloraH:
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe not everywhere *haha*
During the past couple decades, one could put a bluetooth thingy in their ear and others will just think one is talking on the phone.
Yeaah.... it will still be strange when talking in Klingon! :-D -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/BeginnersGuide
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 06.01.2017 um 20:15 schrieb DloraH:
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe
not everywhere *haha*
During the past couple decades, one could put a bluetooth thingy in their ear and others will just think one is talking on the phone.
Yeaah.... it will still be strange when talking in Klingon! :-D
"What? I'm just contacting the aliens, nothing unusual there... I mean, doesn't everybody do that?" -QISta'
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/BeginnersGuide
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A while back I setup a Discord server for members of the "Learn Klingon" group on Facebook to use. Discord is a free chat system that allows groups of people to use both text and voice to communicate. I haven't advertised it much, so there's only a handful of people who use it right now, but everyone is welcome to join: https://discord.gg/t2cCwW7 yImuv 'ej yIjatlh! qurgh On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 06.01.2017 um 20:15 schrieb DloraH:
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe
not everywhere *haha*
During the past couple decades, one could put a bluetooth thingy in their ear and others will just think one is talking on the phone.
Yeaah.... it will still be strange when talking in Klingon! :-D
"What? I'm just contacting the aliens, nothing unusual there... I mean, doesn't everybody do that?"
-QISta'
But not where it would distract you from concentrating on driving, please. ----Original message----
From : levinius@gmx.de Date : 06/01/2017 - 15:08 (GMTST) To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] General Advice
And if you are lacking people to talk with, just talk to yourself. Maybe not everywhere *haha* but for instance, when you are alone or driving in the car, try to describe what you are doing: '''
Hi there, I do not know how much you know about Klingon already, but the first thing to do is read everything you find in the mailing list's FAQ: www.klingonwiki.net/En/MailingListFAQ Am 06.01.2017 um 03:52 schrieb Juliana Bukoski:
Anyway, my plan is to go back to vocab and sentences, keep listening to the audio books (the Klingon Way and the one for tourists),
Don NOT, NEVER ever again, listen to the audio book version of The Klingon Way. The pronunciation is really, really, bad. You better listen to "Conversational Klingon" and "Power Klingon". If you like listening, there is also an audiobook version of the TalkNow software: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Rhythms
In particular, is there anywhere I can search for answers to grammar questions that may have been previously discussed on this email list or
AS said before, there is the FAQ. Much detailed information is found in the KLI's HolQeD, but that's usually more advanced level grammar. I suggest you browse the Klingon Wiki, it has many of those questions summarized, for instance starting here: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/HowDoISay Maybe a good way to memorize words is to color the words in your abook according to word type. See http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/ColoringWords Am 06.01.2017 um 08:46 schrieb De'vID:
We don't mind answering the same questions. If anything, beginners on this mailing list may be scared away by the fact that whenever someone asks a question, five or six people will provide answers, some in too much detail. Ask away.
If you want to avoid getting several (sometimes confusing) answers, then add the code KLBC to your message, to the get the Beginners' Grammarian attention: www.klingonwiki.net/En/KLBC I hope I could help with this. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
On 1/5/2017 9:52 PM, Juliana Bukoski wrote:
Anyway, my plan is to go back to vocab and sentences, keep listening to the audio books (the Klingon Way and the one for tourists), and maybe read the Klingon Christmas Carol and Hamlet, which I just got for Christmas. Is there any other good way to study that I am missing?
jangta' latlh 'ach qeSwIj qanob. tlhIngan Hol ghojatlh. (va... tlhIngan Hol ghoghItlh.) bItaghDI' yInap'eghmoH. Hamlet yIlaD 'ach yIqaw: Qatlhqu'. QIt DalaDchugh bImogh 'e' yIchaw'Qo'. bIlaDchugh neH 'ej bIqeqbe'chugh bIDub'eghmoHbe'. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'vaD qu'bej nobmeyvetlh. jIghal. QImSIr On Thursday, January 5, 2017, Juliana Bukoski <jfbukoski@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
What with it being the new year, I am rededicating myself to studying Klingon, and I thought it might be a good idea to ask for advice from the experts. Last semester I was mostly just memorizing vocab and writing sentences (until complex analysis got hard and Klingon fell by the wayside).
Anyway, my plan is to go back to vocab and sentences, keep listening to the audio books (the Klingon Way and the one for tourists), and maybe read the Klingon Christmas Carol and Hamlet, which I just got for Christmas. Is there any other good way to study that I am missing?
In particular, is there anywhere I can search for answers to grammar questions that may have been previously discussed on this email list or some other list? I don't really like asking questions here because I feel like you've probably answered them a million times already.
Thanks,
Juliana
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