Buttons and pedals and knobs. Oh myyyyy!
I guess with the qep'a' just a week away Dr. Okrand's mind is on the details of the Klingon language and he has been having in-depth discussions with Maltz. He sent me an answer to a question I asked about a year ago. And so, here, I share the answers with you... * The distinction between {tI’var} and {leQ} is not primarily foot vs. hand, though that’s often part of it. It’s the way the mechanisms work. * {leQ} refers to a device that you move in some direction (up or down, left or right: flip a switch, press a button) and, as a result of doing this, something happens (the light goes on, a doorbell rings). With some {leQmey}, some functions are accomplished by continuing to put pressure on the device (keep sliding the light switch until the lights dim to a desired level, keep pushing the power button until the computer comes back on), but then you let go and whatever outcome the switch was supposed to effect has come about; you don’t have to do anything more unless or until you want to change the outcome. * By extension, {leQ} is also a button on a touchscreen even though nothing physically moves. * In some (very) old cars, you’d turn the high-beam headlights on by pushing a button on the car’s floor with your foot. It was a button, not a pedal. And though you operated it with your foot, it would be a {leQ}. * With a {tI’var}, it’s generally the case that you have to keep pressure on the device so that it continues to do what you want it to do. Yes, you can release the gas pedal and the car keeps going, but it’s no longer accelerating, which is what pushing the gas pedal causes. (With cruise control, you’ve taken controlling-by-pedal out of the mix.) * {’olDop} and {jI’ev} are distinguished by how you use them (not what they’re used for). {’olDop} is the block you step on when you pedal a bike (not the whole mechanism); it’s definitely a foot thing. {jI’ev} is the thing you grab onto when turning a crank (also operating a door latch); it’s a hand thing. * Having said that, if an acrobat in a circus rides a bike standing on his head and operates the pedals with his hands, they’re still {’olDopmey}. I followed up with: So the difference between {'olDop} and {jI'ev} is pressing on it versus grasping hold of it? They both seem to turn cranks, spindles, or axles, but it seems that the {'olDop} is turned by pressing on the "block" and {jI'ev} is rotated by grasping the handle whether it is in line with the handle like a doorknob, turned 90° like a lever door handle, or perhaps even set on a crank. So, could one of those old-time engine cranks be called a {jI'ev}? And Dr. Okrand responded: * Yes. And you'd {ghujmoH} it. janSIy
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:22 PM janSIy . via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
I guess with the qep'a' just a week away Dr. Okrand's mind is on the details of the Klingon language and he has been having in-depth discussions with Maltz. He sent me an answer to a question I asked about a year ago. And so, here, I share the answers with you...
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The shared text appears to me to be a jumble of words. I think you included some formatting or something which makes it readable on some devices. Can you re-share it as plain text? -- De'vID
I'm not sure what your difficulties are, but here's what I had received. Greetings, Lieven. begin quote: I guess with the qep'a' just a week away Dr. Okrand's mind is on the details of the Klingon language and he has been having in-depth discussions with Maltz. He sent me an answer to a question I asked about a year ago. And so, here, I share the answers with you... The distinction between {tI’var} and {leQ} is not primarily foot vs. hand, though that’s often part of it. It’s the way the mechanisms work. {leQ} refers to a device that you move in some direction (up or down, left or right: flip a switch, press a button) and, as a result of doing this, something happens (the light goes on, a doorbell rings). With some {leQmey}, some functions are accomplished by continuing to put pressure on the device (keep sliding the light switch until the lights dim to a desired level, keep pushing the power button until the computer comes back on), but then you let go and whatever outcome the switch was supposed to effect has come about; you don’t have to do anything more unless or until you want to change the outcome. By extension, {leQ} is also a button on a touchscreen even though nothing physically moves. In some (very) old cars, you’d turn the high-beam headlights on by pushing a button on the car’s floor with your foot. It was a button, not a pedal. And though you operated it with your foot, it would be a {leQ}. With a {tI’var}, it’s generally the case that you have to keep pressure on the device so that it continues to do what you want it to do. Yes, you can release the gas pedal and the car keeps going, but it’s no longer accelerating, which is what pushing the gas pedal causes. (With cruise control, you’ve taken controlling-by-pedal out of the mix.) {’olDop} and {jI’ev} are distinguished by how you use them (not what they’re used for). {’olDop} is the block you step on when you pedal a bike (not the whole mechanism); it’s definitely a foot thing. {jI’ev} is the thing you grab onto when turning a crank (also operating a door latch); it’s a hand thing. Having said that, if an acrobat in a circus rides a bike standing on his head and operates the pedals with his hands, they’re still {’olDopmey}. I followed up with: So the difference between {'olDop} and {jI'ev} is pressing on it versus grasping hold of it? They both seem to turn cranks, spindles, or axles, but it seems that the {'olDop} is turned by pressing on the "block" and {jI'ev} is rotated by grasping the handle whether it is in line with the handle like a doorknob, turned 90° like a lever door handle, or perhaps even set on a crank. So, could one of those old-time engine cranks be called a {jI'ev}? And Dr. Okrand responded: Yes. And you'd {ghujmoH} it. janSIy Am 18.08.2025 um 09:10 schrieb De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:22 PM janSIy . via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan- hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote:
I guess with the qep'a' just a week away Dr. Okrand's mind is on the details of the Klingon language and he has been having in-depth discussions with Maltz. He sent me an answer to a question I asked about a year ago. And so, here, I share the answers with you...
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The shared text appears to me to be a jumble of words. I think you included some formatting or something which makes it readable on some devices. Can you re-share it as plain text? -- De'vID
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