In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use {-rup}. In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use {-beH}. If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say {ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
Am 29.12.2016 um 13:38 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use {-rup}.
In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use {-beH}.
If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say {ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ?
How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light indicating it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup. I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and machines, can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon. If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say. Explain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"? -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
HIvqa' veqlargh! Correction in my message: I DO NOT think that body parts, [...] can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. Am 29.12.2016 um 14:16 schrieb Lieven:
How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light indicating it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup.
I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and machines, can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon.
If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say. Explain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"?
nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq. because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break. besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large osteolytic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be ready to break. it is what we call "impending fracture". qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 29 Dec 2016 3:16 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 29.12.2016 um 13:38 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use {-rup}.
In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use {-beH}.
If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say {ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ?
How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light indicating it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup.
I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and machines, can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon.
If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say. Explain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"?
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
I think that since bone is something alive, and since usually it "warns" you that it is ready to break (through pain), then the {-rup} is more appropriate than {-beH}. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 29 Dec 2016 3:26 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq. because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break.
besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large osteolytic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be ready to break. it is what we call "impending fracture".
qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 29 Dec 2016 3:16 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 29.12.2016 um 13:38 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use {-rup}.
In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use {-beH}.
If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say {ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ?
How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light indicating it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup.
I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and machines, can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon.
If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say. Explain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"?
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
I just thought of an additional example. the surgeon start to perform an osteotomy, and before the saw cuts through the opposite cortex, he says {ghorrup Homvam}. and another one: "a white blood cell is ready to attack the invading organism" {yotta'bogh yugh HIvrup 'Iw HanDI' chIS}. the possibilities are truly endless.. anyway, I think that {-rup} is the way to go. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 29 Dec 2016 3:34 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that since bone is something alive, and since usually it "warns" you that it is ready to break (through pain), then the {-rup} is more appropriate than {-beH}.
qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 29 Dec 2016 3:26 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq. because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break.
besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large osteolytic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be ready to break. it is what we call "impending fracture".
qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 29 Dec 2016 3:16 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 29.12.2016 um 13:38 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
In order to indicate that a person is ready to do whatever we use {-rup}.
In order to indicate that a device is ready to do whatever we use {-beH}.
If however we want to say "his leg was ready to break", do we say {ghorrup 'uSDaj} or {ghorbeH 'uSDaj} ?
How do you know the leg was ready? If there is a flashing light indicating it, use -beH. It the leg told you it's ready, then use -rup.
I think that body parts, or anything else aside from beings and machines, can "be ready" in the sense you want to express. It seems like an english language idea which just does not exist in Klingon.
If you still ask how to express that, ask yourself what you want to say. Explain it to me: What does it mean, "the leg was ready to break"?
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 29.12.2016 um 14:34 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
I think that since bone is something alive, and since usually it "warns" you that it is ready to break (through pain), then the {-rup} is more appropriate than {-beH}.
You should know best that a bone is NOT alive, at least not in the sense that it may "warn" conciously. It doe not say "Hey look!". When it breaks, there a chemical reaction and pressure on some kind of nerve sending pulses to your brain. We interpret it as a "warning", but there nobody intentionally warning you. My construction professor always told me it's nonsense to say that "the house is breathing". You need lungs to breathe. Am 29.12.2016 um 14:26 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq. because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break.
A suggestion: -> because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was GOING to break. {nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorchoH 'uSDaj.} When you say the bone is ready, I see a bone with a smilying face on it, waving with a hand saying "Okay, let's do this - I'm ready!" -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
On 12/29/2016 8:26 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq. because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break.
besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large osteolytic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be ready to break. it is what we call "impending fracture".
*-rup* and *-beH *refer to preparedness, not impendency. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
SuStel:
*-rup* and *-beH *refer to preparedness, not impendency.
So, at the bone which is prepared by the surgeon in order to be cut, and at the white blood cell example, which suffix would you use ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 29 Dec 2016 3:59 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 12/29/2016 8:26 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
nagh 'ughqu' 'uchmo' ghorrup 'uSDaq. because he was holding a very heavy rock his leg was ready to break.
besides this example, if a bone of the leg e.g. tibia, has a large osteolytic area, then (depending on various criteria) that bone can be ready to break. it is what we call "impending fracture".
*-rup* and *-beH *refer to preparedness, not impendency.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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On 12/29/2016 9:03 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
*-rup* and *-beH *refer to preparedness, not impendency.
So, at the bone which is prepared by the surgeon in order to be cut, and at the white blood cell example, which suffix would you use ?
Hom ghorrup HaqwI' yottaHbogh yagh HIvbeH 'Iw HanDI' chIS (because I'm pretty sure white blood cells are more like devices than beings) -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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